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Old May 26th, 2018, 08:35 PM   #71
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And YOUR assumptions about me are JUST AS AS FALSE !!! So go ahead assume away !!! Keep painting with that big broad brush.
What assumption(s) are those?
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No doctor in this country will perform ANY surgery w/o the written permission of the custodial parent. You know that.
NO ONE here says you HAVE to accept "anyone's nonsense." You just have to ACCEPT they have a RIGHT to EXPRESS what YOU THINK is nonsense freely. You are free to ignore it if you feel it is nonsense.
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I can only speak for myself and my family. When I came out as a gay man in 1986, it did not go well. My family are fundamentalist Christians. I was 19 at the time and AIDS was decimating my friends. I literally could lose a friend a week back then, that's how bad it was.

My parents at the time, were less than sympathetic. They cut me off financially. When I decided to leave Ohio for Chicago, they sent me $50 and said I would die of AIDS if I moved to Chicago.

Well, that was 1992 and I'm still here, HIV free.

Their religion drove them to abandon me. We have since healed, sort of. They still claim their religion, but they have not one time said to me that they made a mistake disowning me.

At that time, I had already given up on them. Without a degree, I managed to get into advertising, where I still am today at 51. I've been very successful.

We get along now a lot more. Now that its legal, they want me to get married.

But never one time have I gotten an apology for what they did back when I was young.

It's hard for me not to blame religion. I'm seriously trying. But I really need my parents to own up to what they did.

But they won't. They always say, "oh we had gay friends who we were Ok with"

But they were never OK with their own kid being gay. And they still have not said so.

So religion is still a sore spot with me.

I don't know how a person can leave a child on their own like they did. I could never do that. But apparently religion gives you permission.
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But remember always that extremely few Americans are Christian. It causes confusion that they insist on using the label!
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Ignore it all you wish. That will NOT alter the fact that it's the truth, and that you will not refute or even logically dispute that it's the truth.

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Told you that you would not refute or even dispute the fact.

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I can only speak for myself and my family. When I came out as a gay man in 1986, it did not go well. My family are fundamentalist Christians. I was 19 at the time and AIDS was decimating my friends. I literally could lose a friend a week back then, that's how bad it was.

My parents at the time, were less than sympathetic. They cut me off financially. When I decided to leave Ohio for Chicago, they sent me $50 and said I would die of AIDS if I moved to Chicago.

Well, that was 1992 and I'm still here, HIV free.

Their religion drove them to abandon me. We have since healed, sort of. They still claim their religion, but they have not one time said to me that they made a mistake disowning me.

At that time, I had already given up on them. Without a degree, I managed to get into advertising, where I still am today at 51. I've been very successful.

We get along now a lot more. Now that its legal, they want me to get married.

But never one time have I gotten an apology for what they did back when I was young.

It's hard for me not to blame religion. I'm seriously trying. But I really need my parents to own up to what they did.

But they won't. They always say, "oh we had gay friends who we were Ok with"

But they were never OK with their own kid being gay. And they still have not said so.

So religion is still a sore spot with me.

I don't know how a person can leave a child on their own like they did. I could never do that. But apparently religion gives you permission.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
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Old May 27th, 2018, 11:35 PM   #77
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Christian Leaders Call Out the Heresy of Trumpism


By E.J. Dionne Jr. / May 23 / 5:22 PM


Maybe it takes a royal wedding to offer lessons in what a good sermon sounds like.

Maybe it takes one of the world’s most elitist institutions — a monarchy, for goodness’ sake — to provide a view of Christianity rooted not in conservative cultural warfare (or unrelenting support for President Trump) but in an egalitarian love that will “let justice roll down like a mighty stream.”

And the Most Rev. Michael Curry, who preached for a royal couple and the world last Saturday, isn’t finished with us yet. On Thursday, a group of Christians will march to the White House for a candlelight vigil inspired by a declaration titled “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

The presiding bishop and primate of the Episcopal Church, Curry is a prime mover of a statement suffused with a sense of urgency about “a dangerous crisis of moral and political leadership at the highest levels of our government.”

While Trump lurks behind almost every paragraph of this passionate assertion of faith, he is never mentioned. This reflects the desire of the endorsers to focus on what it means to proclaim that “Jesus is Lord.” The opening paragraph makes this clear: “We believe the soul of the nation and the integrity of faith are now at stake.”

At a time when social media and email inboxes bulge with manifestos about the dangers posed by Trump, “Reclaiming Jesus” is distinctive: Its vision contrasts sharply with the approach taken by Christians who are invoking religious arguments in apologetics for a president whose actions and policies seem antithetical to almost everything Jesus taught.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, a progressive evangelical Christian leader and the declaration’s main drafter, credited Curry for encouraging his colleagues to speak out. “The two of us talked and prayed about this for months before inviting a group of elders to join us for a retreat on Ash Wednesday” to discuss “a theological and biblical statement.”

Even if its implications about you-know-who are unmistakable, the call — issued by 23 prominent Christians with long experience in social struggles — “wants to be about Jesus, not Trump,” Wallis said in an interview. The hope is to challenge Christians to reach their political conclusions only after pondering what Jesus and his disciples actually said.

“What we believe leads us to what we must reject,” the signers assert, laying out six core propositions and the conclusions that follow.

If “each human being is made in God’s image and likeness,” then Christians have a duty to repudiate “the resurgence of white nationalism and racism in our nation on many fronts, including the highest levels of political leadership.” A belief that “we are one body” requires opposition to “misogyny” and “the mistreatment, violent abuse, sexual harassment, and assault of women.”

Because “how we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick, and the prisoner is how we treat Christ,” Christians must oppose “attacks on immigrants and refugees” and “cutting services and programs for the poor” accompanied by tax cuts “for the rich.”

The final three assertions were especially pointed about the unnamed president. Because “truth-telling is central to the prophetic biblical tradition,” Christians should stand against “the practice and pattern of lying that is invading our political and civil life.” It notes that “Christ’s way of leadership is servanthood, not domination.” This means resisting “any moves toward autocratic political leadership and authoritarian rule.”

The declaration’s most barbed conclusion comes from Christ’s injunction to “go into all nations making disciples.” This, the signatories say, demands a rebuke to ‘America First’ as a theological heresy.”

“While we share a patriotic love for our country,” they add, “we reject xenophobic or ethnic nationalism that places one nation over others as a political goal.”

This is a testing time for the country as a whole, but the moment presents a particular challenge to the Christian churches.

Trump, after all, won a substantial majority of the vote among white Christians. The battle within Christianity (and not just in the United States) can be defined in many ways. It is at least in part between those who would use faith as a means of excluding others on the basis of nation, culture and, too often, race, and those who see it as an appeal to conscience, a prod to social decency — and, yes, as an invitation to love.

The question “Who is Jesus?” has been debated for two millennia. It is starkly relevant now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...nl_most&wpmm=1

Evangelical Christians only make up a quarter of the population of religious Americans. While this is the biggest group overall, that shouldn't matter for a nation founded on the principle of a separation between church and state, and true freedom of religion.

The U.S. is actually 70 percent Christian, but that leaves another 30 percent of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and of course the fastest growing group — the religious "nones", who don't claim adherence to any faith. And while it should come as no surprise after Dear Leader's first year of action that he doesn't prioritize the desires of that 30 percent, his constant hammering home that point is a chilling way for those who value the secular way of life that the U.S. has always offered.

As he speaks up for the freedom of the religious majority, Dear Leader's presidency has launched one attack after another on minority religious groups. His attempts at instituting a Muslim ban, even though they failed, succeeded in creating a toxic environment for Muslims in the U.S. — even after the rate of hate crimes against Muslims had already risen over the course of 2016. His inclusion of noted anti-Semitist Steve Bannon on his cabinet and the many threats on Jewish community centers and synagogues put Jews on edge. As for the nones, whether that means atheists, agnostics, or simply people who don't label themselves by any faith community or lack thereof? They might has well not exist in the vision that Trump offered in his speech. (Makes sense I guess. In America, we worship God, remember?)

Good! Religion dictating state politics always ends well.
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Old May 28th, 2018, 09:59 AM   #78
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There's funny. Hitler here can't call this half-Irish superior a Nigger, so he makes up silly names! Is it meant to prove Caca belongs to the Master Race, or what?
It's sad that you would take my remarks into the racist realm. But that is to be expected from a Liberal without any other argument. I call Obimbo, Obimbo because, he was a bimbo. Absolutely the worst president of the modern age.
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Old May 28th, 2018, 10:02 AM   #79
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No doctor in this country will perform ANY surgery w/o the written permission of the custodial parent. You know that.
NO ONE here says you HAVE to accept "anyone's nonsense." You just have to ACCEPT they have a RIGHT to EXPRESS what YOU THINK is nonsense freely. You are free to ignore it if you feel it is nonsense.
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Old May 28th, 2018, 10:13 AM   #80
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Why should we have to accept someone else's behavior?? Excuse me while I stop reeling first from dismay and second from laughter.

Just guessing but 1) The Constitution--I recommend you read it. 2) The Supreme Court--check it out too. 3) State and Federal Law--states are those smaller pieces of property.
Your damn straight PEER PRESSURE comes from the government. Without it we the people would be the Republic of the Congo.
Are you for real?
Your referencing the Constitution? A restriction on government you know little about. And that government peer pressure you talk about, is that job of government? Take a look at past 8 years of Obimbo. Government peer pressure was his forte. Look at the mess he created. At this point, anyone who believes this government and the Court are working within the Constitution is completely ignorant of the facts.
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