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Old June 9th, 2018, 05:36 PM   #51
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You just contradicted your previous post. You now agree with me it wasn't about selling gays a cake. Thanks.
No, I said the Supreme Court made it about something else. In short, they punted.
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Old June 9th, 2018, 06:12 PM   #52
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Marriage is a male and female. That's been the definition accepted by civilization since man crawled out of caves. Just because sane rational efucated normal people will not bow to the new age politically correct agenda doesn't mean they are hateful homophobic bigots. Grow up.
No, for most of that time, marriage is the ownership of one or more females.
Recently, very recently, last couple of hundred years, the idea of romantic love as the basis of marriage emerged.
Hence same sex marriage, which is based on romantic love, not ownership of chattel.
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Marriage is whatever any given tribe, culture or nation chooses to define it at any given point in history. *shrug*
Yes, a culture, not a Court!
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Old June 9th, 2018, 06:25 PM   #54
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No, for most of that time, marriage is the ownership of one or more females.
Recently, very recently, last couple of hundred years, the idea of romantic love as the basis of marriage emerged.
Hence same sex marriage, which is based on romantic love, not ownership of chattel.
How did you arrive at the "hence" thing?
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Old June 9th, 2018, 06:47 PM   #55
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Yes, a culture, not a Court!
Our legal system is part of our culture. That should be obvious.
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But we LIVE in a country which DOES recognize marriage - and there are many legal advantages and privileges accorded married couples which should not be held out of bounds for gay married couples.
If you are referring to my comment, Israel recognizes marriage.......all marriages. The Israeli government just don't do civil union or hand out licenses. Once you find a way to get married, they will recognize it.
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No, I said the Supreme Court made it about something else. In short, they punted.
It always was about something else. It was about submission, and when he wouldn't submit, big brother punished him. The USSC got it right. No surprise that Ginsburg and Kagan sided with big brother.

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No, for most of that time, marriage is the ownership of one or more females.
Recently, very recently, last couple of hundred years, the idea of romantic love as the basis of marriage emerged.
Hence same sex marriage, which is based on romantic love, not ownership of chattel.
Perhaps in some cultures, Not Christian culture.
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I'm a historian ...
yeah, right.

No 'historian' would right the stupid shit you write.
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It always was about something else. It was about submission, and when he wouldn't submit, big brother punished him. The USSC got it right. No surprise that Ginsburg and Kagan sided with big brother.
So then you agree with Kennedy's opinion that religious liberty is not absolute and neutral laws that effect all citizens takes precedent?
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