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Old June 10th, 2018, 05:16 AM   #61
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Here's a great article I've found. part of it says -
"Christians, our Jesus said to not only follow the law, but to rise to a higher standard of love. Christians should be the FIRST people baking cakes — for everyone who asks us. We should be known for our cake baking. People should be saying, “There go those crazy Christians again, baking cakes for everyone. They just won’t quit!” Then, when we share the reason for our wild, all-inclusive love, people will want to hear it. “Let your light shine before others,” said Jesus, “that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Christians, when we dig our heels in and insist on our right to discriminate, we are hurting people — we are hurting so many people, so deeply. Behind the ACLU and the liberal media are real people, who have been hurt again and again in the name of Christ. Christians, you and I have hurt them. I know most of us have really good intentions, but we are making Jesus the last thing they want to hear about."

https://tenthousandplaces.org/2015/0...-for-them-two/
Amen. Thank you for sharing what should be obvious to any Gospel-believing person.
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yeah, right.

No 'historian' would right the stupid shit you write.
A historian that lives in reality would. I know the definition of marriage. You're part of the alternative universe that wants to change that definition.
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So then you agree with Kennedy's opinion that religious liberty is not absolute and neutral laws that effect all citizens takes precedent?
I believe the Constitution.
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Our Wedding Is Canceled Due to the Following Strongly-Held Beliefs


Give Us This Beignet, Our Daily Bread



Hi, everyone. I know you weren’t expecting to see Keith and I out here so soon, but we have some bad news. We’re not getting married today.

Believe me, we were really looking forward to it, but recently — this morning, in fact — we learned our blessed event was in direct conflict with the strongly-held beliefs of many of the people providing our wedding services. And if they’re not happy, we’re not happy.

Let me bring you up to speed.

You may have noticed the empty display table by the reception tent as you filed in. That’s where our wedding cake would have been. For our baker, however, creating a cake to be employed in the marriage of two men would be the moral equivalent of using communion wine to make sangria.

We knew the risks when enlisting Give Us This Beignet, Our Daily Bread as our wedding baker. They’re the best in downtown Aurora, no question — sorry, Wild-Flour! — but their beliefs on same-sex marriage are no secret. We hoped they might get swept up in the joy of the occasion but last night their chief baker Jonah, applying the final bit of piping, had a vision of Billie Jean King physically dragging him away from the gates of Heaven. And if that’s not a sign, I don’t know what is.

I should add, it may not have helped that we requested our little cake figurines be surrounded by an added semi-circle of figurines, in likenesses of the bakery staff, giving us the thumbs-up.

But that’s all done with. They’ve made their wishes clear and we respect them.

Which brings me to the empty vases alongside the pews and the empty centerpiece bowls on the reception tables. We’ve known Joyce Gantz, owner of Rest On My Laurels, for years; I couldn’t imagine this day without her. What I couldn’t know was the war raging within Joyce, fervent Catholic, after she learned of the meat-laden Friday barbecues Keith and I throw for our softball team. Last night, Joyce looked deep within her heart to ask, can I lend my good name to this cursed union?

The dumpster full of imported delphinium behind Joyce’s shop can tell you the answer.

You see, what we’re learning is that these are not just goods and services; they’re not simply the imprints of Keith’s Capital One card and the resulting exchange of goods. Every item at a wedding is nothing less than the avatar of its vendor’s entire belief system. With this in mind, each rose petal my niece Stephanie was prepared to hurl down the aisle might as well have been embossed with JOYCE GANTZ APPLAUDS THEE, SATAN.

What faith-engorged entrepreneur should face such hell?

This is why the rows of steam-trays in the tent are empty, and your choice of beef tenderloin or grilled salmon — or the one plate of tempeh veggie kabob, bless you, Amy! — will never arrive. Because Something Borrowed, Something Cordon Bleu, exceptional wedding caterers and unapologetic druids, could not bear the thought of providing nourishment to a couple willing to rip two thriving Magnolia trees from their backyard last summer. From their email: “Your heretic’s feast will be served when the earth heals from your violence.” By our best guess that wouldn’t have been by 6 p.m.

We also won’t be dancing to Renče and the Ring-tones. While Rčnee was a woman of few beliefs when we booked her, she has since converted to the Egyptian cult of Bastet, and considers the choice to put our cat Banjo to sleep, rather than pay $15,000 for experimental feline jaw surgery, to be “unforgivable wickedness, worthy of disciples of Set.”

I’ve been handed this note: Lane, our photographer, turns out to be more of a Star Wars guy and doesn’t feel right legitimizing such an obviously Star Trek couple.

Blessings on your journey, Lane.

In closing, our apologies. We were so busy coordinating our big day that we forgot to coordinate the sacred truths of all players involved. I’m told many of our vendors will adopt an exhaustive three-week interview process before each sale to keep this from happening again.

We did have a lovely wedding favor created for each of you, which we might as well distribute. It’s a wooden plaque, engraved with the phrase Love Conquers All, hand-crafted by our friend Bryce Charles in the front row. Now, Bryce is something of a Packers fan, and Keith is all about the Bears, but in the spirit of friendly rivalry, we’ve always managed to put aside our differ — wait.

Bryce’s feelings are changing.

They’re moving from loosely-held to nonchalantly-held. They’re not done; from the set of Bryce’s jaw, her feelings have transitioned to intentionally-held, and finally, they’re — yup. They’re strongly-held. Dammit.

Sorry, folks. You’re on your own.

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https://medium.com/s/story/our-weddi...s-1fa71105660e

Quite a good piece about where the recent SCOTUS ruling could - and in the current political climate and societal viciousness very well will - lead.
Wish it wouldn't ring so true, so I could enjoy the humor more.
Dear Sir,

Some years ago you showed me a picture of your wife and she is all female, and brave enough to ride a camel in the Middle East.

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Dear Sir,

Some years ago you showed me a picture of your wife and she is all female ,and brave enough to ride a camel in the Middle East.

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Michael T was a famous body builder from Denver but moved his office and plant a little NE of Denver. The company expanded to North Carolina and Michael T came all the way to Raleigh to see me and bought me an expensive dinner in a fancy restaurant. Work Work Work until late at night. Michaiel T was also known to hire Americans Down On Their Luck.
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A historian that lives in reality would. I know the definition of marriage. You're part of the alternative universe that wants to change that definition.
You have your religions definition of marriage. Your religious rules have no effect on the legal definition of marriage. Conversely the legal definition of marriage has no effect on your religious rules of marriage. Everybody is happy.

Now if we only had some kind of word or phrase that succinctly describes this wonferful idea that a religion doesn’t control the government and it’s laws and the government doesn’t control a religion and it’s laws.

I’m sure you can come up with something.
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You have your religions definition of marriage. Your religious rules have no effect on the legal definition of marriage. Conversely the legal definition of marriage has no effect on your religious rules of marriage. Everybody is happy.

Now if we only had some kind of word or phrase that succinctly describes this wonferful idea that a religion doesn’t control the government and it’s laws and the government doesn’t control a religion and it’s laws.

I’m sure you can come up with something.
I'm not talking religion. The definition of marriage has always been a male and female, and that's the definition set by civilization, not religion.
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I'm not talking religion. The definition of marriage has always been a male and female, and that's the definition set by civilization, not religion.
You moron ... why don't you READ A BOOK instead of getting on the internet and proving what an uneducated ignorant asswipe you are?

Marriage ORIGINALLY was between a man and a man - it was a contract between them for the exchange of a woman for goods. A man could have as many of these contracts (and marriages) as he wanted and could afford to take of.

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I'm not talking religion. The definition of marriage has always been a male and female, and that's the definition set by civilization, not religion.
And it is the right of any civilization to change those laws. It is actually the DUTY of a civilization to change unjust laws.

“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816.

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