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Old June 10th, 2018, 07:47 AM   #71
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Trump sucker punched both Canada and G-7, yesterday. The US has better fish to fry than the EU. The Historic Trump and Kim meeting is on again and Singapore of all places. I can only hope that Trump knows how to do a proper bow between Heads of State.
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Actually,marriage is a religious practice. Not known for thousands of years from the time man ( and woman ), you noticeably left her out, crawled out of the caves.

And your response with that omission proving beyond any doubt a misogynist practice, created by a man with the mentality of someone that crawled out of a cave.
Marriage is a legal contract. The word "man" can apply to both genders combined. But then, that wouldn't fit your silly use of the word misogynist, would it?
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Trump sucker punched both Canada and G-7, yesterday. The US has better fish to fry than the EU. The Historic Trump and Kim meeting is on again and Singapore of all places. I can only hope that Trump knows how to do a proper bow between Heads of State.
Trump suggested that "all" tariffs should be lifted. Those feeding off of the U.S. did not find that amusing.
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Old June 10th, 2018, 08:39 AM   #74
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And it is the right of any civilization to change those laws. It is actually the DUTY of a civilization to change unjust laws.

“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816.
In this country, it should have been left to the individual states to make that judgment. But then, we have a Supreme Court that now believes 9 unelected judges can alter the Constitution in any way the deem to fit their personal opinions.
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Old June 10th, 2018, 08:53 AM   #75
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And it is the right of any civilization to change those laws. It is actually the DUTY of a civilization to change unjust laws.

“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816.
What do you think Jefferson was talking about in this letter?
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Old June 10th, 2018, 09:26 AM   #76
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Actually,marriage is a religious practice. Not known for thousands of years from the time man ( and woman ), you noticeably left her out, crawled out of the caves.
There have been so few reliable research studies of the few remaining hunter-gatherers in the world in modern times, that it's difficult to establish what the norm would be for male-female relationships over the broad expanse of human history. Nevertheless, we do know that all relationships..including the size and composition of extended family groups(never exceeding 200), were greatly influenced by the type and quantity of available food resources, as well as needs for shelter from severe storms, floods, droughts etc. So, our ancestors usually had to break camp and move frequently....but that could be an almost weekly migration in dry, inhospitable territories like the Australian Outback or the Kalahari Desert, while food and resources are so abundant along tropical river valleys such as the Congo and the Amazon, that hunter-gatherer villages were near permanent, and individuals frequently moved in and out of different family groups, while those in sparsely populated areas had little contact with others.

Finally, when it comes to male-female relationships...there were no orgies, nor do any anthropologists find examples of alternative sexual practices(they were all pretty boring....sorry porn viewers!)...though I should add the caveat that some initiation ceremonies of young men and women contained same-sex practices that were categorized separately in their thinking. And, it is also true that researchers never found evidence of permanent, lifelong pair-bonding between men and women. A quick example can be found when the first missionaries venturing up the Amazon Valley encountered the Yanomami tribes along the river. During the exchange of languages, the foreigners soon learned that for the Yanomamo, marriage meant when a man and a woman started stringing their hammocks together for the purpose of sex and developing a more intensely personal relationship.

But these relationships didn't last very long....just a matter of days or weeks, and they also believed in a concept called "partible paternity" which just means that they believe every man a woman had sex with prior to birthing a baby had a share in fatherhood of the child. This gave the men in these communities of impermanent sexual relationships a sense of responsibility for the children of every woman they had sex with...since they were partly fathers of those children. While the women were motivated to have sex with as many men as they desired and believed would contribute valuable qualities for their offspring. And this is why all the pearl-clutching priests and ministers got so bent out of shape by the wanton sexual aggressiveness of primitive pagan women!
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And your response with that omission proving beyond any doubt a misogynist practice, created by a man with the mentality of someone that crawled out of a cave.
So much of what today's religious values conservatives believe is natural human behavior, are just cultural artifacts that began with the transition to patriarchal farming societies (when certain men were able to control food supplies of a community) 5000 years ago, they would at least have a better understanding of why their idealized values fail so often in real life today that doesn't match the kind of world the original patriarchs were living in a long time ago!

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A few isolated instances is not the same as acceptance by the society.
Right! Same sex marriage unions were recognized by our federal government in Canada.......and then the world ended!
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In this country, it should have been left to the individual states to make that judgment. But then, we have a Supreme Court that now believes 9 unelected judges can alter the Constitution in any way the deem to fit their personal opinions.
You mean so that married gay couples would not be treated equally with married straight couples?

The Full Faith and Credit Clause give states the mandate to recognize the laws, records and court decisions of other states.

As straight married couples are recognized as they cross state lines, how would it be considered REMOTELY equal treatment under the law if gay married couples were not?
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In this country, it should have been left to the individual states to make that judgment. But then, we have a Supreme Court that now believes 9 unelected judges can alter the Constitution in any way the deem to fit their personal opinions.
In this country all citizens should have equal protection of the laws regardless of which state they live in.
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In this country, it should have been left to the individual states to make that judgment. But then, we have a Supreme Court that now believes 9 unelected judges can alter the Constitution in any way the deem to fit their personal opinions.

I am a resident of the state of Tennessee. I am a citizen of the United States. My most fundamental rights SHOULD NOT CHANGE because I crossed some imaginary line on the ground. The constitution says we are ALL equal under the law. End of story.
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