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Old June 10th, 2018, 02:43 PM   #11
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Or we could just re-educate the people like you, that would work.
Re-educate? What does that mean? What does that entail? If you were aware, you would realize that it would result in exactly what I mean, a dissolution of the Republic.
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This country needed an interregnum and you can be sure that surviving the Bush and Obama terms was more of an accomplishment than this will be. All that venom you are referring to has already begun to die down, as people are seeing more and more how ridiculous the media (and Democrat Party) is becoming. It was the last 2 administrations that saw constant protest, so much so, that nobody even takes them serious anymore.

Our economy is booming right now, better than it has been for decades. Results have a way of mending bridges for all those who take the issues seriously. You pretty much have to search out and stay in those select claptrap venues to not notice that fog of division is starting to clear.

The beer summits are happening everywhere, in the real world.
Most contemporary political movements (social justice, mainstream feminism, alt-right, liberals, conservatives, etc.) are just glorified cults. They're echo chambers where people who are depressed and miserable about their lives place all of their blame on a particular group of people, instead of actively trying to make their lives better, and the world at large a better place. The ideology becomes a religion in their lives, instead of a vehicle to bring about change. The root cause of this issue is the depression and misery brought about by a capitalist society. Most people are just trying to survive. Sinister people on all sides of the political spectrum are channeling this rage to build their cults. Donald Trump and the alt-right are just one example. There are countless others.

They only see the world through the lens of their ideology, and have never once questioned it. I'm glad I've escaped the cult unscathed, emancipated myself from this line of thinking, and I've become more mature. I choose to look at the world as I see it, not how someone else wants me to see it. I have learned to value critical thinking and my own independent thought, other people should as well.
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Old June 10th, 2018, 03:17 PM   #13
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Re-educate? What does that mean? What does that entail? If you were aware, you would realize that it would result in exactly what I mean, a dissolution of the Republic.
It means you lose, get over it.
We are moving to a world that has a lot more government involvement, for the simple reason that the capitalist system is failing.
You want to destroy the country because it's not going the way you want it to go.
Not gonna happen, get over it.
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The only way forward is the dissolution of the Republic, and the formation of independent nations formed around common grounds, whether that be ideology or race or geographical location.
Do you know what a republic is? I think you meant to say 'dissolution of the democracy'- because a republic is essentially "the formation of independent nations formed around common grounds".

It's why the electoral college exists, to protect your remedy- which is already supposed to be the case.
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Old June 10th, 2018, 03:29 PM   #15
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If you log off the internet and actually talk to people, most Americans are normal people who just want normal lives. Even if they do have their political differences. This is all hyperbole.

If Charlottesville didn't spark a civil war in the US, then I don't think anything will at this point. It'll take more than mere political differences to "fracture" the US.
I totally disagree. Take closer look at that picture again, and point out the hyperbole.
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Republicans are an aging demographic. They are a racial demographic in decline as well. Nature will right this ship in due time.
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I totally disagree. Take closer look at that picture again, and point out the hyperbole.
I see angry people. Americans have a lot to be angry about. The future is very bleak. There are serious differences between people that are very real. Like I said previously, most people are still just trying to survive. Nobody wants a civil war. We'd have way too much to lose.

The idea that this is going to lead to some sort of collapse or war is silly.
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Most contemporary political movements (social justice, mainstream feminism, alt-right, liberals, conservatives, etc.) are just glorified cults. They're echo chambers where people who are depressed and miserable about their lives place all of their blame on a particular group of people, instead of actively trying to make their lives better, and the world at large a better place. The ideology becomes a religion in their lives, instead of a vehicle to bring about change. The root cause of this issue is the depression and misery brought about by a capitalist society. Most people are just trying to survive. Sinister people on all sides of the political spectrum are channeling this rage to build their cults. Donald Trump and the alt-right are just one example. There are countless others.

They only see the world through the lens of their ideology, and have never once questioned it. I'm glad I've escaped the cult unscathed, emancipated myself from this line of thinking, and I've become more mature. I choose to look at the world as I see it, not how someone else wants me to see it. I have learned to value critical thinking and my own independent thought, other people should as well.
I agree mostly, but I am not sure if I understand your thoughts on the culprits. The Alt-right has been attributed to Trump by his enemies and if you know his history, he isn't the demon the Left makes him out to be. NO, he is definitely no saint and I do not admire his couth (or lack of). I don't admire his intellect, etc. But, the racist label he has been given is false and he has proven it false throughout his life. Now, he MAY be (he IS) a supremacist- but not in racial terms. He thinks himself above everyone or at least feels it is important to portray himself that way (he's of the Norman Vincent Peale school of positive thinking). People often see self-confidence as arrogance, especially when that self-confidence is really hiding deeper feelings of insecurity.

I could be wrong about the definition of "alt-right'' though, because the Left attributes it to everyone to the right of Stalin.

I also don't understand if you are blaming capitalism for people's woes- taking the Occupy Wall Street's absurd position, or if you are simply stating that people are jealous of those who have benefited most from capitalism (not even aware that they, themselves have benefited from it).

I would be interested in exploring this issue further with you, because I agree with most everything you said about the "cult" mentality and it's destruction to intellectual discussion. Remaining objective gets hard when you are constantly being labeled and pushed toward one of the cults or the other. People label you and you spend a lot of time trying to defend ridiculous points, just to get to the more meatier ones.

I'm a liberal. But ask anyone who reads my articles or debates me (if you can call it that) on the issues and they'll probably say I am alt-right or a Nazi or some other BS like that. I tend to vote for more conservative candidates because in order to REALLY be liberal, you have to oppose more government control. I don't think today's impostors understand what 'liberal' means anymore. Not that I really think "conservative" candidates are all that conservative...

I am a capitalist though. Being liberal is not about handouts, it's about having the freedom to do what you have to do to get where you want to be.
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I see angry people. Americans have a lot to be angry about. The future is very bleak. There are serious differences between people that are very real. Like I said previously, most people are still just trying to survive. Nobody wants a civil war. We'd have way too much to lose.

The idea that this is going to lead to some sort of collapse or war is silly.
I'm not suggesting that is the case. But I maintain the merits of the article are not steeped in hyperbole. The two sides you see in that picture is an accurate depiction of the political condition as it currently is in America.

I doubt it will lead to a civil war, in fact I don't believe that either, but I do believe it will get worse before it gets better. You have an entire generation of morons like Cletis in that picture with his cheap AR, who have been told their entire lives by their fathers and other older male members of their family that a race war is going to happen any time now, and they believe that religiously.
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I agree mostly, but I am not sure if I understand your thoughts on the culprits. The Alt-right has been attributed to Trump by his enemies and if you know his history, he isn't the demon the Left makes him out to be. NO, he is definitely no saint and I do not admire his couth (or lack of). I don't admire his intellect, etc. But, the racist label he has been given is false and he has proven it false throughout his life. Now, he MAY be (he IS) a supremacist- but not in racial terms. He thinks himself above everyone or at least feels it is important to portray himself that way (he's of the Norman Vincent Peale school of positive thinking). People often see self-confidence as arrogance, especially when that self-confidence is really hiding deeper feelings of insecurity.

I could be wrong about the definition of "alt-right'' though, because the Left attributes it to everyone to the right of Stalin.
The alt-right, as I know it, is the new brand of White nationalism/supremacy, anti-feminism, militarism, and Antisemitism that came in the wake of Donald Trump's rise. Donald Trump may not be a part of the alt-right, but there is no denying that he was at one point their favored candidate due to some of his statements and policies.


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I also don't understand if you are blaming capitalism for people's woes- taking the Occupy Wall Street's absurd position, or if you are simply stating that people are jealous of those who have benefited most from capitalism (not even aware that they, themselves have benefited from it).

I would be interested in exploring this issue further with you, because I agree with most everything you said about the "cult" mentality and it's destruction to intellectual discussion. Remaining objective gets hard when you are constantly being labeled and pushed toward one of the cults or the other. People label you and you spend a lot of time trying to defend ridiculous points, just to get to the more meatier ones.
I am blaming capitalism for people's woes. It is the system we live under, but it, quite frankly, is making people's lives miserable due to the pressures it creates. Why do you think the US has some of the highest rates of depression and drug abuse in the world? You may disagree that capitalism is the culprit, but the fact that there is something deeply wrong with the collective American psyche is apparent even to the casual observer. I feel it in my own life, and people who I care about feel it too. Everything is so bleak.

I agree with your second paragraph as well. I've been called everything from a communist to a Black supremacist. The cults that people are joining are products of the rage so many Americans are feeling. Everyone is looking to blame someone else instead of looking inward and realizing that the change starts with them.

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I'm a liberal. But ask anyone who reads my articles or debates me (if you can call it that) on the issues and they'll probably say I am alt-right or a Nazi or some other BS like that. I tend to vote for more conservative candidates because in order to REALLY be liberal, you have to oppose more government control. I don't think today's impostors understand what 'liberal' means anymore. Not that I really think "conservative" candidates are all that conservative...

I am a capitalist though. Being liberal is not about handouts, it's about having the freedom to do what you have to do to get where you want to be.
You're one of the few Americans I've come across who understands the difference between classic liberalism and contemporary liberalism. This is actually refreshing.

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