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Old June 28th, 2018, 01:43 PM   #1
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Most immigrants are in the U.S. legally, something most Americans don’t know

Most immigrants are in the U.S. legally, something most Americans don’t know


Volunteers help walk dozens of women and their children, many fleeing poverty and violence in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, to a relief center after their release from Customs and Border Protection on Friday in McAllen, Tex.


Misinformation about America’s immigrant population is rampant.

Some of it is based on bad data. Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk tweeted a claim on Wednesday that more than a third of the murders in America are committed by immigrants in the country illegally. While it should be obvious to an impartial observer that this claim is questionable, Kirk appears to have calculated it based on data published in an opinion piece at the Hill. That article claimed that a tally of murders by the Government Accountability Office covering a period from 1955 to 2010 among immigrants in the country both legally and illegally was, instead, just homicides by undocumented immigrants from 2005 to 2008. Kirk is a strong supporter of President Trump and vice versa. (Earlier that day, Trump had called him a “spectacular person.”) Kirk’s willingness to present a bit of data that matched Trump’s rhetoric may have made him more likely to accept the flawed numbers from the Hill.

Some of the misinformation, on the other hand, appears to be intentional. Trump’s own repeated insistence that immigrants bring crime has been debunked repeatedly, including by The Post. He said it at the outset of his campaign, and it was debunked, and he kept on saying it. A new poll from Pew Research Center, for what it’s worth, shows that most Americans know that Trump is incorrect. Sixty-five percent of Americans say that immigrants are not more likely to commit serious crimes than native-born Americans, which is true. (Quite the opposite.)
Most Americans, though, don’t know that. Pew asked respondents whether most immigrants in the United States were here legally or illegally. Only 45 percent said, correctly, that most are here legally. A slightly lower percentage, 42 percent, said illegally.

There are interesting demographic splits. Hispanic respondents, for example, were more likely to say that most immigrants here came illegally. Republicans were more likely to say “illegally” than “legally,” by a 11-point margin. Democrats were much more likely to get the question correct. So were younger Americans.

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Most Americans, though, don’t know that. Pew asked respondents whether most immigrants in the United States were here legally or illegally. Only 45 percent said, correctly, that most are here legally. A slightly lower percentage, 42 percent, said illegally.

There are interesting demographic splits. Hispanic respondents, for example, were more likely to say that most immigrants here came illegally. Republicans were more likely to say “illegally” than “legally,” by a 11-point margin. Democrats were much more likely to get the question correct. So were younger Americans.
That may overlap with another interesting demographic break. Older Americans are less likely to be college-educated, and non-college-educated respondents were much more likely to get the response wrong. Most college graduates correctly said that most immigrants are here legally. About half of those without college degrees were incorrect.

Further broken down by party, the results are stark. Most non-college-educated Republicans think that most immigrants are here illegally. Nearly three-quarters of college-educated Democrats think that they are here legally. Republican college graduates were only slightly more likely than Democrats without degrees to get the question correct.

Why did so many people get this wrong? It’s hard to say, and Pew doesn’t speculate. It may be a function of the extent of media coverage of illegal immigration in the overall immigration debate. It’s not clear.

But the repercussions of that erroneous impression seem obvious. If you think that the immigration system is so flawed that most immigrants are here after having violated the law, your perception of how to approach immigration from a policy standpoint may reflect that.

Or it may not. Last week we noted another poll from Gallup. That poll found that immigration is seen as a “good thing” by three-quarters of the country, the highest percentage since they started asking the question in 2001.


When Gallup differentiated the question with “legal” immigration, we’ll note, support jumped even higher.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.16d601c0ef3c

And, ONCE AGAIN, we see that it's the old (read: stubborn, pig-headed, close-minded) and uninformed and uneducated who refuse to see the truth and acknowledge it when it's pointed out. The willfully and stubbornly ignorant and sophophobic.
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Foolish premise.
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and there it goes ... the point flying far over his head
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and there it goes ... the point flying far over his head
So what is the point?

Because i believe the point most people are making is ILLEGAL immigration is the problem. Be them from the UK, Russia, Mexico or goddamn Antarctica. Yet you leftists keep intentionally conflating legal w/ illegal in an attempt to make your weak argument seem valid and then you have the audacity to toss into the mix asylum seekers. It is all just silly and you are either to gullible or dishonest to see this.
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So what is the point?

Because i believe the point most people are making is ILLEGAL immigration is the problem. Be them from the UK, Russia, Mexico or goddamn Antarctica. Yet you leftists keep intentionally conflating legal w/ illegal in an attempt to make your weak argument seem valid and then you have the audacity to toss into the mix asylum seekers. It is all just silly and you are either to gullible or dishonest to see this.
Not when it comes to Trump, and his "zero tolerance" scam. Since he is a "law and order" type of guy, just as Nixon claimed to be, will he tell us, if he has the balls to do so, how many of those who have been detained (arrested, separated) at the border were/are members of MS13, or any other gang? Rapists? Drug smugglers? Criminals? How many of the children were being smuggled in? Does he have a clue as to what American Asylum law says in regards to those seeking asylum (They are to be allowed to file regardless of how they enter the country). Now, where does Trump get the authority to violate established law, and thus prevent the refugees from entering the country? (And don't even try to use the recent SCOTUS ruling which does not give Trump the authority to violate established law).

Finally, since Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice, do you think he should recuse himself from nominating any further justices since they will be setting on court hearings he is sure to bring forward (can he be forced to testify; can he pardon himself; can he be indicted, etc.), and thus would have a conflict of interest in any nomination?

Do you know the answer? And how many thousands of others does he intend to place in those new detentions camps he is building?
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It is a common lie leftists tell themselves, that conservatives object to legal immigration.
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11 million illegals is certainly not a correct number.
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and there it goes ... the point flying far over his head
Actually no. I know the point you're TRYING to make, all "Righties" are stupid but your premise incorrect at it's root. It's about those that ARE and WILL come here illegally.
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It is an opinion piece disguised as something of value using big shining graphics to fool idiots that there is substance there.
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It is an opinion piece disguised as something of value using big shining graphics to fool idiots that there is substance there.


Here's my question: What's the point in presenting facts, quotes, statistics, graphs, pie charts, photos, video and audio when you and your disciples immediately translate those facts into a "certain vernacular"
or (as I like to call it) .....

Trumpspeak? Alternative facts? Gaslighting? Exaggerations? Double speak?

You still think the whole separation of families at the border is/was manufactured and that the Russians didn't hack the 2016 election/campaign.

The Party of Conspiracy Theories jettisoned to power eating, sleeping and breathing every lunatic premise that popped up. Donald John Trump led the charge and you were happy to follow.
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