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Old July 4th, 2018, 09:33 AM   #91
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Are Islamic teachings compatible with U.S. law? Are the teachings of Muhammad a civil rights violation? Dos the Qur'an hold any moral value that we Americans need? Is there anything loving written in the Qur'an about disbeliever? Should Islamic teachings be taught in schools? These things we can discuss here.
In the US? Certainly not in K-12 public schools as religious doctrine. Islamic doctrine could be examined in a comparative religions class, or in a non-doctrinal way in a class centered on the Middle East or Islamic culture - but not as religion, no.

Sectarian schools & colleges & universities & etc. that receive no federal nor state funding might be able to examine Islamic doctrine without worrying about the Constitutional establishment of a religion clause - but it might still generate controversy.
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In the US? Certainly not in K-12 public schools as religious doctrine. Islamic doctrine could be examined in a comparative religions class, or in a non-doctrinal way in a class centered on the Middle East or Islamic culture - but not as religion, no.

Sectarian schools & colleges & universities & etc. that receive no federal nor state funding might be able to examine Islamic doctrine without worrying about the Constitutional establishment of a religion clause - but it might still generate controversy.
Actually most public schools now, K-12, are teaching Islam to students. There is no outcry from the ACLU or any liberal opposition. It is not a comparative religion class, as no atheist can represent Christianity without a radical bias. But the atheists are teaching Islam according to Islamic standards and kids are visiting mosques and learning about the 5 pillars of Islam. Islam is being taught as the religion of peace which is a lie. But its being taught everywhere and the local public schools where I live never say anything good about Christianity but will teach Islam as love and peace. Such teachings are evil and false. There is no love in Islam. Islam is the religion of pieces.
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Actually most public schools now, K-12, are teaching Islam to students. There is no outcry from the ACLU or any liberal opposition. It is not a comparative religion class, as no atheist can represent Christianity without a radical bias. But the atheists are teaching Islam according to Islamic standards and kids are visiting mosques and learning about the 5 pillars of Islam. Islam is being taught as the religion of peace which is a lie. But its being taught everywhere and the local public schools where I live never say anything good about Christianity but will teach Islam as love and peace. Such teachings are evil and false. There is no love in Islam. Islam is the religion of pieces.
If Islam is being taught as religion in US public schools K-12, then that's an apparent violation of the separation of church & state. Then it's up to the parents to protest & call in legal support to make their case.
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Actually most public schools now, K-12, are teaching Islam to students.



You sure lie a lot for someone who claims to be a Christian.
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Muslims Emigrate For Jihad.

The most violent verse in the Qur'an is 6:158. This verse is the most violent because it deals with us westerners and how when muslims emigrate here and gain control they will slaughter all non-muslims without offering conversion or jizya.

Qur'an 6:158,

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"Do they then wait for anything other than that the angels should come to them, or that your Lord (Allah) should come, or that some of the Signs of your Lord should come [i.e., portents of the Hour e.g., rising of the sun from the west)! The day that some of the Signs of your Lord do come; no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith. Say: "Wait you! we (too) are waiting."
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.6, Book 65, hadith 4635,

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"Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Messenger said, "The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth will have Faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before." (V.6:158 ).
From the book: The Signs Before The Day Of Judgement, Ibn Kathir, pp.86,87

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"No good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith" (Ahmad, 2/201).
Some scholars interpret "the rising of the sun from the West" as meaning that Islam will appear in the West, as strong as it was in the beginning, and that the people of the West will carry the flag of Islam."
Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol.1,

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"{Say: "Wait you! we (too) are waiting."} This is a stern threat to the disbeliever and a striking warning for those who delay their embracing of Faith and repentance until a time when neither Faith nor repentance shall avail."
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Noble Qur'an 9:52,

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"Say: "Do you wait for us (anything) except one of the two best things (martyrdom or victory); while we await for you either that Allah will afflict you with a punishment from Himself or at our hands. So wait, we too are waiting with you."
Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

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"Allah, the Almighty says: {Say}, O Muhammad to them, {Do you wait for us} that something should overtake us, {except one of the two best things} i.e. martyrdom or victory over you, {while we await for you} that {either that Allah will afflict you with a punishment from Himself or at our hands) i.e. we await that you will be either taken captives or killed, {So wait, we too are waiting with you.}"
Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Feras Hamza translation):

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"Say: 'Are you waiting (tarabbasun: one of the two original ta' letters [in tatarabbasun] has been omitted) for anything, to occur, for us but one of the two fair things, [the two fair] outcomes? (husnayayn is the dual form of husna, which is the feminine form of ahsan), that is, victory or martyrdom? We are waiting in your case too, for God to afflict you with a chastisement from Him, with a calamity from the heaven, or at our hands, should we be given permission to fight you. So wait, for this to [befall] us, we are also waiting with you', your end."
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Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.3, hadith 1875

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"Narrated Sufyan bin Abu Zuhair: I heard Allah's Messenger saying, "Yemen will be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families, and those who will obey them to migrate (to Yemem), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew. Sham will also be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families and those who will obey them to migrate (to Sham), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew. Iraq will be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families and those who will obey them to migrate (to Iraq), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew."
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Noble Qur'an 8:72,

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"Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, ---these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance; and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do."
Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translations):

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"Those who have believed and have emigrated and done jihad with their wealth and themselves in the Way of Allah (the Muhajirun), and those who have given refuge to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and help (the Ansar), they are the friends and protectors of one another with respect to support and inheritance. But as for those who believe but have not emigrated, you are not in any way responsible for their protection (read as wilaya and walaya)--in other words there is no inheritance between you and them and they have no share in any booty you take -- until they emigrate. This was abrogated by the end of the sura. But if they ask you for help in respect of the din, it is your duty to help them against the unbelievers, except against people you have a treaty with -- in which case you should not break it by helping them. Allah sees what you do."
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False hopes for liberals who betray their nations. Those spared have to convert and live as muslims. Islamic emigration is absolutely dependent upon traitors. If there are no traitors in the lands they are invading they cannot defeat the host nation that has allowed emigration.


Noble Qur'an 8:74,

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"And those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard in the Cause of Allah (Al-Jihad), as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid---these are the believers in truth, for them is forgiveness and Rizqun Karim (a generous provision i.e. Paradise)."
Noble Qur'an 8:75,

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"And those who believed afterwards, and emigrated and strove hard along with you (in the Cause of Allah), they are of you. But kindred by blood are nearer to one another (regarding inheritance) in the decree ordained by Allah. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of everything."
Taisirur Rahman Le Bayanil Qur'an, Qur'an 8:75,

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"And those who believed* afterwards, and emigrated and strove hard along with you, they are of you, and the relatives by blood have more rights with one another in the Book of Allah. Of course, Allah is the All-Knower of everything."

*footnote: "Those who embraced Islam after their migration to Madinah, and participated in Jihad along with the Muslims, then they also deserve the help, companionship and cooperation like the Immigrants and Helpers. They are also true believers, and in the Hereafter Allah will bestow His mercy onm them and will forgive them and will recompense them with the bounties of Paradise."
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Through emigration, Islam demolishes all evil deeds. This means Europe will be stripped of everything uniquely European. All music will be abolished, books and records burned, monuments demolished, and all European history will be erased and re-written. Nothing will be left of Europe.

Noble Qur'an 78:36,

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"A reward from your Lord, an ample calculated gift (according to the best of their good deeds). *

*Footnote: "Islam demolishes all the previous evil deeds and so do migration (for Allah's sake) and Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah)"
The term migration for Allah's cause and/or Allah's sake is always used in reference to jihad. Though this verse speaks of both migration for jihad and for Hajj (which is the pilgrimage to Mecca and has nothing to do with us unbelievers).
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Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh):

Provisions Of The Afterlife: Which Lie Within Prophetic Guidance (translation by Ismail Abdus Salaam), pp.260-263,

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His Guidance Concerning Jihaad
"Jihaad is the peak of Islaam which grants one of the highest status in this life and the next. As for the messenger of Allaah (my Allaah send salutations upon him) , he reached the summit having engaged in all forms of jihaad. Consequently, he relied upon his heart, tongue, limbs, and sword. For this reason, he was the greatest of creation.
Allaah commanded him to engage in jihaad when he said: {if we pleased, we would send a warner to every village, so disobey the infidels and wage jihaad against them} [Al Furqaan/51-52].

This chapter was revealed in Makka. It obliged the believers to wage jihaad using the Qur'aan, and Allaah has said: {O Prophet, wage jihaad against the hypocrites and disbelievers. Their abode is hell which is the worst destination} [At Tawba/73].

It is more difficult to wage jihaad against the hypocrites than it is to wage jihaad against the believers, and the former jihaad is waged by a special group of people who are the heirs of the messengers. Although they are few, they are great to Allaah.
Since one of the greatest forms of jihaad is to speak the truth despite major opposition, the jihaad of the messengers was most complete.
Since the jihaad which is waged against the disbelievers stems from the jihaad which is waged against the soul, the former jihaad takes precedence over the latter jihaad, and the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (the mujaahid is one is wages jihaad against his soul to become more obedient to Allaah, and the muhaajir is the one who abandons what he has prohibited). As a result, one who does not wage jihaad against his soul to become more obedient cannot wage jihaad against the enemy.
Jihaad cannot be waged against the aforementioned enemies until another enemy is fought, and he attempts to dissuade man from this jihaad. He is Shaytaan, and Allaah the most high has said: {Shaytaan is your enemy, so treat him as such} [Faatir/6].

The slave has been commanded to wage jihaad against these three enemies, and Allaah had granted them authority as a test for the believers. However, he has provided them with arms.
The most high has said: {We have made some of you trial for others} [Al Furqaan/20].

{We shall test you until we know which of you are patient and wage jihaad} [Muhammad/31].

He has given his slaves intellect, perception, and revelation. He is also granted them angelic support, and he has said: {I am with you} [Al Anfaal/12].

He has informed the believers that if they comply with his demand they will continue to be victorious over their enemies, and that if they are not, it is because they have been disobedient. However, he has ordered them to resume jihaad in this case, and he has informed them that he supports those who are relevant and patient.
He defends the believers in accordance with their faith. Consequently, as faith becomes stronger, so does the defense of Allaah.
Allaah has commanded the believers to wage jihad as he has commanded them to revere him, and it is waged so that the body may submit completely to Allah. Simultaneously, one fights Shaytaan by disobeying him and disregarding his promises and threats. Once this war begins, one will become capable of fighting enemies of Allaah so that his word may become uppermost.
The early believers have given various definitions of jihaad.
Ibn 'Abbaas has said: it is to act and worship as required.
'Abdullah Bin Al Mubaarak has said: it is to combat the soul and desire.
Some have thought that the two verses of jihaad and reverence enjoin what one is incapable of, though every slave is able to revere Allaah and wage jihaad as required. In fact, this obligation varies according to strength and knowledge. Consequently, what is required of one who is knowledgeable and capable is not required of one who is not, and consider how he concluded by saying: {he has chosen you and has not imposed a burden upon you} [Al Hajj/78].

In addition, the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (I have been sent with monotheism and leniancy).
Allaah has allowed one to repent at any time and will accept repentance until the sun rises from the west, and he has offered various methods of expiation such as charity, good deeds, and affliction. He has also provided lawful alternatives which are more favorable and enjoyable than their unlawful counterparts. He creates difficulty as a test, though it is preceded and followed by ease. As a result, Allaah could not oblige one to act beyond his capability.

The Levels Of Jihaad
"There are four levels of jihaad: jihaad waged against the soul, jihaad waged against Shaytaan, jihaad waged against disbelievers, and jihaad waged against hypocrites.
1. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may learn the religion of truth which is the sole source of happiness and success.
2. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may act once he has learned. Otherwise, knowledge would be futile if not harmful.
3. One wages jihaad against the his soul so that he may teach. Otherwise, he would be like those who withhold the guidance of Allaah. Consequently, his knowledge would not save him from the punishment of Allaah,
4. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may endure the difficulty of teaching, and he does so entirely for Allaah.
Once one has completed these four levels, he joins the ranks of those who know the truth and act accordingly.
Fighting Shaytaan
This jihaad has two levels:
1. One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel the doubt which he casts.
2. One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel his temptation.
Consequently, certainty follows the first jihaad while patience follows the second jihaad, and the most high has said: {We made some of them leaders due to their patience and certainty} [As Sajda/24].

Allaah has informed us that religion leadership is attained with patience and certainty, because patience repels lowly desires while certainty repels doubt.
Fighting The Disbelievers And Hypocrites
This jihaad has four levels:
1. the heart
2. the tongue
3. wealth
4. the body
The hand is usually used when waging jihaad against the disbelievers while the tongue is usually used when waging jihaad against the hypocrites.
Fighting Tyrants, Innovators, And Evildoers
This jihaad has three levels:
1. the hand
2. the tongue
3. the heart
The first level is the highest level.
Thirteen levels of jihaad have preceded, and the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (if one dies without participating in jihaad or wishing to do so, he dies in a state of hypocrisy).
Jihaad Is Incomplete Without Migration
Jihaad is incomplete without migration and there is no jihaad or migration without faith.
As for those who seek the mercy of Allaah, they neglect none of these acts. Allaah the most high has said: {those who believe, migrate, and fight seek mercy for Allaah, and he is forgiving and merciful} [Al Baqara/218]."
Provisions Of The Afterlife, p.286,

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"Subsequently, Allaah enjoined war against all polytheists. In fact, analysis reveals that jihaad is an individual obligation, whether it be spiritual, monetary, verbal, or physical.
As for physical jihaad, it is a collective obligation and the truth of the matter is that monetary jihaad is also a collective obligation, because Allaah has enjoined the former and latter, and he has said: {proceed in any manner and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for the sake of Allaah. If you only knew that this is better for you} [At Tawva/41].
Jihaad leads to paradise, and the most high has asked: {O you who believe, shall I inform you of a transaction which will spare you a painful punishment. Believe in Alaah and his messenger and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for his sake. If you only knew that this is better for you. He will forgive you and place you in fine homes amidst the rivers of paradise. That is the greatest victory} [As Saff/10-12.
Jihaad leads to victory, and Allaah has said: {and other bounties which you will like} [As Saff/12]."
Reliance of the Traveller [the book of Islamic sacred law (the sharia)],

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JIHAD
o9.0, "(O: Jihad means to war against non-muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said as he was
returning from jihad,

"We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad."
The Scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as:

(1) "Fighting is prescribed for you" (Koran 2:216);
(2) " Slay them wherever you find them" (Koran 4:89);
(3) "Fight the idolators utterly" (Koran 9:36)

and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allan bless him and give him peace) said:

"I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah";
and the hadith reported by Muslim,

"To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the world whole world and everything in it."

THE OBLIGATORY CHARACTER OF JIHAD
o9.1, "Jihad is a communal obligation (def:c3.2). When enough people performed it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others (O: the evidence for which is the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),
"He who provides the equipment for a soldier in jihad has himself performed jihad,"

and Allah Most high having said:

"Those of the believers who are unhurt but sit behind are not equal to those who fight in Allah's path with their property and lives. Allah has preferred those who fight with their property and lives a whole degree above those who sit behind. And to each, Allah has promised great good" (Koran 4:95).
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From the Hadith:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 26, Hadith No. 36,

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"(26) Chapter. Al-Jihad* (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is part of the faith.
36.Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, "Allah assigns for a person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah's Cause and nothing causes him to do so except belief in Allah and in His Messengers, that he will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in battle as a martyr)" The Prophet added: "Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any Sariya (an army-unit) going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His Cause."

*Footnote: "Al-Jihad (Holy Fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of it's pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior. (His Word - La ilaha illallah - none has a right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanishes. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every muslim, and he who tries escape from his duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."

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You are all emotion and no logic.



Unlike you I think logically and not with my emotions. I am informed and very well educated on Islam. I am spreading awareness, something you don't seem to understand due to your low education level and illiteracy. Its always you illiterates who talk like you know it all. You know everything and yet never studied a damn thing your whole life. You all emotion which makes you very opinionated.



Logic: The Bible does not reach Christians to murder. The Qur'an and Sunnah is full of orders to fight unbelievers until there are no more unbelievers left and only Islam remains. If you bothered reading some of the posts on this topic you would learn that. A bigot is someone who speaks hate against another religion without little to know knowledge of that religion. And when you share that knowledge with them they don't even try to understand it but continue on with their attacks. That's how bigotry works. Its hate based on poor judgement. I am very informed about Islam. I used to be an Islam Defender until I got informed. Once I saw reality I've been spreading awareness about that evil death cult ever since.



Here we go again with the 'I have nice muslim friends' line. I have a muslim friend and his name is Muhammad and my muslim friend outranks all your muslim friends. Muslims don't make Islam; Islam makes muslims. Muhammad has the final say of what Islam is, as he is the prophet of Islam and no muslim has authority over him. Muhammad does not agree with you. Jihad is part of the faith and all muslims are expected to wage jihad against the kafir (i.e., dirty unbeliever). They are invading England right now and you are not logical enough to see that. You think with your emotions and muslims play on that. Muslims want their kids to die in jihad. They have no respect for life. And, granted, there are plenty of hypocrite muslims out there who do want to live good and decent lives, living in peace with their neighbor. But this form of hypocrisy is frowned upon in Islam.




Muslims are so much nearer to conquering England than you think. They have gone so far as to get a muslim mayor elected in London!! Since then, terrorist attacks have increased. I know what goes on in Britain and I am very well informed about the leftist propaganda machine in Britain which has not only defended terrorism, but are responsible for the increase of terrorist attacks in Britain. So you're not fooling me, not even a little.

Muhammad is what muslims follow. He is the false Christ of Islam. Every word and action Muhammad did muslims are to emulate in all things, at all times and in all places. Muhammad was a terrorist and Isis lived the life of Muhammad and his companions.

Thank you for your response

I actually read it several times and am still not convinced that you are for real. I mean, seriously, are you really saying these things, or is it just some sort of ‘joke’

However, I am going to ‘bite’ and respond, however, there is so much wrong with what you say it would take far longer than I have to waste….

I am ‘emotion and no logic’ – really? I am going to resist going ‘low’ on this, but really, you have no clue. What you claim is ‘emotion’ is called empathy, understanding and tolerance. I get that from my Christian faith – a faith which despite your rhetoric, you have not the slightest understanding of. However if you would like to have a debate which is pure logic, bring it on…but I suggest you don’t waste the good folks time here!

If you are claiming you are talking logic and then pedalling what you do then you are not only showing that you have no logic, but you also have no understanding of history or geo-politics. You sound impressive, but you are way out of your depth.

My point about what you sarcastically refer to as the ‘nice Muslim friends’ is that if you actually meet people and get to know them, rather than relying on the garbage you are force fed with, you may find out what people are really like.

You claim that Muslims want their kids to die in Jihad!!?? (This was probably the point when I really began to think that you are just making a joke) This is beyond risible. Even if it were true, then thank goodness that the vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims are what you claim to be ‘Hypocrite Muslims’, so I think we can sleep easy. (Thank goodness all of those millions of Muslims don’t know their faith as well as you do!)

England is not being invaded – don’t be so ridiculous, don’t be so misinformed. I don’t have to be logical to see that, I can walk the streets, go to the pub, watch the news, watch the soccer. How do you get your ‘evidence’? The mayor of London is a Muslim. I don’t get to vote for that, but if I could of I would, because, you know what, I don’t care what religion he is. Sadiq Khan happens to be a very good mayor and people voted for him because he was the best person for the job! How refreshing is that, judging someone by his qualities…imagine if that happened in the US!

And again, sorry – your lack of credible ‘evidence’ is embarrassing. You know Britain? Well it isn’t the Britain I have lived in for years…again, what’s your ‘evidence’, do please elucidate? Muslims don’t want to conquer Britain – try understanding this, they want to be British. And frankly I feel safer bringing my kids up here than in the US at the moment. There may be a ‘Terrorist threat’, but at least they are safe when they go to school, or the shopping mall, or the theater!
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Have you read anything I have posted here? This is my contention with you. You are posting your emotions and by doing so you are supporting the words from the Qur'an, Sunnah, Tafsir, and fiqh posted on this topic. You think you know muslims but you don't. These muslims, especially those living in Europe, are well schooled in Islam and listen to their hate preaching Imams and parrot their every hateful word into deed. I have seen so many muslims protesting against freedom, free speech, and democracy in Britain, You are lying to yourself.

Islam doesn't obey your opinion. Muslims follow the Qur'an and Sunnah. Those who don't read listen to their Imams who fill their heads full of shit.

I don't hate muslims. They are all victims of the lies. But its the practicing muslim who is the terrorist, not the hypocrite. We like hypocrites and feel safe around them. We would love nothing more than to get along with muslims. But Islam doesn't teach peace. It teaches death. But you are one of those liberals who want to ignore Islamic teachings and pretend Islam means nothing to the muslim. You have deceived only yourself.

Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,

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3099. It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said, "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy ." (Sahih)
That is a Sahih hadith. No muslim can argue against it. Those who reject it and don't live by it are hypocrites. So the nice muslims are hypocrites because they do not practice their Islam. We like hypocrites. But Islam rejects them.

Muhammad, not liberal emotions, is the authority of Islam. The Qur'an is the book of Allah and the Sunnah (Sirah and Hadith) are the books of Muhammad. The Hadith teaches a muslim how to be a muslim. The Qur'an does not teach that which is why the Qur'an says to follow the Sunnah of Muhammad,

Noble Qur'an 3:31,

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"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
You British progressives think you're so damn smart. You think just because something is not found in the Qur'an you can start blasting good patriots of your once great nation (now a complete shit hole) about how little they understand Islam. Yet many of the violent teachings come from the Sunnah which your muslim buddies, those you trust with your life, seem to forget to inform you about. I wonder why that is? Could it be that muslims are supposed to lie to disbelievers as to protect Islam from being exposed? Lets see what the Hadith says:

Sahih Muslim, Vol.6, Hadith [6633] 101 - (2605),

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"Chapter 27. Prohibition Of Lying, And What Is Permitted Thereof
[6633] 101 - (2605) Humaid bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf narrated that his mother, Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abi Mu'ait -- who was one of the first Muhajir women who swore alligiance to the Prophet--told him that she heard the Messenger of Allah say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, saying good things and conveying good things."
Ibn Shihab said (in his Hadith that she said): "I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband."
Sahih Muslim, Vol.2 (Summarized edition), Book 55, Chapter 49, hadith 1810,

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"(49) CHAPTER. Permissible lies
1810. Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abu Mu'ait (who was from the first emigrants) narrated that she heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "He who makes peace between people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
Ibn Shihab said: "I heard nothing where what people say can be permissible as lies except in three: war, to make people reconcile and a man's talk to make his wife happy."
In another narration: Umm Kulthum said: "I heard nothing permissible as a lie except these three."
This is what you are fighting to cover up in Britain, even going so far as to get Tommy Robinson killed for speaking the truth. And I don't want to hear all this progressive slander against Robinson. He was trying to do what he could to wake you stupid British progressives up and get you to see that Britain, your homeland, is being invaded and it is no joke. These "nice" muslims, the so-called moderate muslims, are sending jihad fighters money while putting on a smile on their face when around you. But you have so much hatred for Christianity that you will defend Islamic dogma to your own death over fighting to protect the truth of the Gospel which saves lives both in this world and the next. The Gospel of Christ actually does teach peace and love but you would rather support a genocidal death cult by attacking people like me who, like Tommy Robinson, are only trying to talk sense into your senseless skull. You do realize Robinson is a dead man, right? Some day in the not so distant future his name, along with Jayda Fransen and Paul Golding, will be remembered in regret their message was mocked and ridiculed to the point the three of them were killed in prison by your words and actions against them. And then you expect Christ to save your soul after supporting the occult movement in Britain against the truth of Christ? You are fooling yourself! Jesus isn't saving traitors. For traitors are cowards and no coward is saved.

Rev.21:8,

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"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Did God bless Britain? Of course God blessed Britain? God made Britain Great Britain. You Brits did not do that on your own, but only through the blessing of God did Britain become great. But look how so many of your faithless and cowardly Brits have betrayed the blessing and persecute the faithful and even call them heretics. The fall of Britain will be sooner than you think and the mass slaughter that will take place in Britain will be blood on the hands of progressives who ignored the warnings and persecuted the messengers of God, His saints, who remained faithful to God and the blessing He bestowed upon your nation. All those who betrayed Britain for the antichrist power will be eternally condemned!
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Have you read anything I have posted here? This is my contention with you. You are posting your emotions and by doing so you are supporting the words from the Qur'an, Sunnah, Tafsir, and fiqh posted on this topic. You think you know muslims but you don't. These muslims, especially those living in Europe, are well schooled in Islam and listen to their hate preaching Imams and parrot their every hateful word into deed. I have seen so many muslims protesting against freedom, free speech, and democracy in Britain, You are lying to yourself.

Islam doesn't obey your opinion. Muslims follow the Qur'an and Sunnah. Those who don't read listen to their Imams who fill their heads full of shit.

I don't hate muslims. They are all victims of the lies. But its the practicing muslim who is the terrorist, not the hypocrite. We like hypocrites and feel safe around them. We would love nothing more than to get along with muslims. But Islam doesn't teach peace. It teaches death. But you are one of those liberals who want to ignore Islamic teachings and pretend Islam means nothing to the muslim. You have deceived only yourself.

Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,



That is a Sahih hadith. No muslim can argue against it. Those who reject it and don't live by it are hypocrites. So the nice muslims are hypocrites because they do not practice their Islam. We like hypocrites. But Islam rejects them.

Muhammad, not liberal emotions, is the authority of Islam. The Qur'an is the book of Allah and the Sunnah (Sirah and Hadith) are the books of Muhammad. The Hadith teaches a muslim how to be a muslim. The Qur'an does not teach that which is why the Qur'an says to follow the Sunnah of Muhammad,

Noble Qur'an 3:31,



You British progressives think you're so damn smart. You think just because something is not found in the Qur'an you can start blasting good patriots of your once great nation (now a complete shit hole) about how little they understand Islam. Yet many of the violent teachings come from the Sunnah which your muslim buddies, those you trust with your life, seem to forget to inform you about. I wonder why that is? Could it be that muslims are supposed to lie to disbelievers as to protect Islam from being exposed? Lets see what the Hadith says:

Sahih Muslim, Vol.6, Hadith [6633] 101 - (2605),



Sahih Muslim, Vol.2 (Summarized edition), Book 55, Chapter 49, hadith 1810,



This is what you are fighting to cover up in Britain, even going so far as to get Tommy Robinson killed for speaking the truth. And I don't want to hear all this progressive slander against Robinson. He was trying to do what he could to wake you stupid British progressives up and get you to see that Britain, your homeland, is being invaded and it is no joke. These "nice" muslims, the so-called moderate muslims, are sending jihad fighters money while putting on a smile on their face when around you. But you have so much hatred for Christianity that you will defend Islamic dogma to your own death over fighting to protect the truth of the Gospel which saves lives both in this world and the next. The Gospel of Christ actually does teach peace and love but you would rather support a genocidal death cult by attacking people like me who, like Tommy Robinson, are only trying to talk sense into your senseless skull. You do realize Robinson is a dead man, right? Some day in the not so distant future his name, along with Jayda Fransen and Paul Golding, will be remembered in regret their message was mocked and ridiculed to the point the three of them were killed in prison by your words and actions against them. And then you expect Christ to save your soul after supporting the occult movement in Britain against the truth of Christ? You are fooling yourself! Jesus isn't saving traitors. For traitors are cowards and no coward is saved.

Rev.21:8,



Did God bless Britain? Of course God blessed Britain? God made Britain Great Britain. You Brits did not do that on your own, but only through the blessing of God did Britain become great. But look how so many of your faithless and cowardly Brits have betrayed the blessing and persecute the faithful and even call them heretics. The fall of Britain will be sooner than you think and the mass slaughter that will take place in Britain will be blood on the hands of progressives who ignored the warnings and persecuted the messengers of God, His saints, who remained faithful to God and the blessing He bestowed upon your nation. All those who betrayed Britain for the antichrist power will be eternally condemned!

I think your true colors have been revealed – Tommy Robinson! Yes, he will be remembered alongside Jayda Fransen, Paul Golding, Heinrich Himmler and Josef Goebbels, for sure

But you really are clueless. Tommy Robinson wasn’t dead last time I lifted that particular stone!

But frankly if this is the level you stoop to, your views really aren’t worth debating. What repulses me is that you have the effrontery to claim to be a Christian; that would get the biggest laugh, if you didn’t actually believe it! Don’t you think it amazing how the vast majority of Christians abhor your perversion of their faith? Guess we all must be hypocrites too!

I don’t ‘defend Islamic dogma’, I support ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ (now somewhere I remember reading that…it will come back to me). Why don’t you get it into your fevered head that you can’t have it both ways – either the vast majority of Muslims are, by your definition, ‘hypocrite Muslims’ and don’t know their faith as well as you apparently do, in which case we are all safe, or you are just plain wrong (in which case we are also safe)

You still haven’t said what your ‘sources’ are for your ‘knowledge’ of Britain. Anytime you like with that one…

Love your ending paragraph – shame we couldn’t have the Horst Wessel Lied playing in the background!

Two clarifications:

1. I didn’t say I was a Brit, I said I live here

2. God did not make Great Britain, the French did. ‘Grand Bretaigne’ was used by the French as a term to describe Britain – greater Brittany (looks like your neo Nazi buddies didn’t listen in history lessons…lot of that going down)

Maybe you should get out more..just a thought
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I think your true colors have been revealed – Tommy Robinson! Yes, he will be remembered alongside Jayda Fransen, Paul Golding, Heinrich Himmler and Josef Goebbels, for sure
This is the problem with you tards on the left: you don't even know what a Nazi is! And if I were to test your knowledge you would expose yourself as a Nazi. Quick Nazi test: Are you a Zionist?

I was friends with Tommy Robinson, Jayda Fransen and Paul Golding on FB before you fascists shut down their accounts. I saw nothing Nazi about them. I've been called a Nazi just as many times as they have and I am pro-Israel and have Jewish friends in both Israel and America. I bet you oppose the Jewish state. If you do then you are a Nazi.

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But frankly if this is the level you stoop to, your views really aren’t worth debating. What repulses me is that you have the effrontery to claim to be a Christian; that would get the biggest laugh, if you didn’t actually believe it! Don’t you think it amazing how the vast majority of Christians abhor your perversion of their faith? Guess we all must be hypocrites too!
True Christians do not support communism. True Christians don't call themselves progressives (which is the antithesis of Christianity). True Christians don't worship Satan. You progressives are all into the occult and you masquerade as righteous but you deny the power of God. You would rather defend Islam over the truth which is Christ. I know all about you progressives, and much more about you British progressives than you might think. You are all Satanists and I have traced and tracked down all progressive connections to several Satanic sects. You have a following of muslims because evil attracts evil. You are no Christian. You have neither faith nor clarity, and you certainly do not have loyalty. You British progressives are total and complete scum. You pissed on your own country and destroyed its greatness. I see nothing great about Britain. Just another muslim ghetto. But that's what you wanted. All of Europe has gone down the drain and that is what you want to call Christianity but we both know your view is the occult.

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I don’t ‘defend Islamic dogma’, I support ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ (now somewhere I remember reading that…it will come back to me). Why don’t you get it into your fevered head that you can’t have it both ways – either the vast majority of Muslims are, by your definition, ‘hypocrite Muslims’ and don’t know their faith as well as you apparently do, in which case we are all safe, or you are just plain wrong (in which case we are also safe)
Here you go again with "your definition" and "your views." I have not said said any of my views but quoted from the most sacredly held books of Islam which you are calling "my view." Typical libtard...can't read or write. You turn education into something to mock and ridicule. Shameful.
So if you're so against Islamic terrorism then why are we even having this discussion? Apparently you do not like me exposing the true teachings of real Islam. You have a problem with that. Typical devil worshiping progressive, you are.

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IYou still haven’t said what your ‘sources’ are for your ‘knowledge’ of Britain. Anytime you like with that one…
I don't need to tell you any such thing. You are the enemy of Britain and I do not have to share intel with traitors of Britain.

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Two clarifications:

1. I didn’t say I was a Brit, I said I live here

2. God did not make Great Britain, the French did. ‘Grand Bretaigne’ was used by the French as a term to describe Britain – greater Brittany (looks like your neo Nazi buddies didn’t listen in history lessons…lot of that going down)

Maybe you should get out more..just a thought
You live in Britain and that is Brit enough for me. You're probably a muslim terrorist who emigrated there for jihad which is why you deny your own teachings.

So are you a Zionist?
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Don’t know if you mean to be, but you are hilarious!

Yeah sure, I am absolutely a Muslim terrorist who migrated here for Jihad. How did you blow my cover?? And you also know that I follow Satan? Your powers know no bounds.

But apparently I live in Britain and that makes me Brit enough?? I had no idea it was that easy. Thanks for that!

'True Christians do not support communism. True Christians don't call themselves progressives'?? - ok, not sure what that bits about, are you just saying things that come into your head now? I agree with the former, I do not agree with the latter; primarily on the grounds that by definition Christianity was, at the time, the very essence of 'Progressive'. Did you trace Jesus back to satanic sects whilst you were at it?

You can’t share your ‘intel’ because I am an enemy of Britain?? (LOL - are we in the Hardy Boys here?) – And wait you called me a Brit! You can’t bestow my citizenship upon me one minute and then take it away in the next!!

But despite this nonsense, I will play your game....

I fully support the right of the state of Israel to exist.

Happy?

I am confused now as to whether that makes me a Nazi or not according to your world view. I won't go into my credentials as to why you are going seriously out of your depth here; I will just look forward to your answer...go for it!

Thanks for the laugh, but meanwhile on planet earth....
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