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Old July 3rd, 2018, 01:40 PM   #11
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Are Islamic teachings compatible with U.S. law? Are the teachings of Muhammad a civil rights violation? Dos the Qur'an hold any moral value that we Americans need? Is there anything loving written in the Qur'an about disbeliever? Should Islamic teachings be taught in schools? These things we can discuss here.
Very true of skews. Our Constitution requires separation of church and state for a reason. Try learning the basics before you post further ignorance and hate, Skippy........
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There are many topics we could discuss here and jihad is one of them. But before we get into the long dawn out discussion on Islamic teachings on jihad, lets have a peak at some of their doctrines concerning how muslim women treated. Keep in mind that Islam treats their fellow believers a great deal better than they do the kafir (dirty unbelievers).

In the United States, female circumcision is illegal. No muslim is allowed to have their daughters mutilated in America. So they send their daughters to Islamic countries to have their clits remove so they cannot ever enjoy sex.

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Imam Bukhari, Chapter 596, Hadith 1245,

"Chapter 596: Female Circumcision
1245. (ATH 339) Umm al-Muhajir said: "I was captured with some girls from Byzantium. 'Uthman offered Islam to us but only myself and one other girl accepted Islam. 'Uthman said, 'Go and circumcise them and purify them.' "

So this practice is illegal already in America.
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The next hadith deals with how muslims deal with muslim women who testify to a crime, whether committed against them or to somebody else.

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Chapter 12, hadith No. 2658,

"(12) CHAPTER. The witness of women.

And the Statement of Allah: "...And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women..." (V.2:282)."

2658. Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

This hadith seems to go against the grain of both liberal and conservative values. However, muslims enforce this law in their communities here in America.
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Muslim women are not allowed to be leaders of their nations which is not only against U.S. law to hold women down, but it goes against all liberal narratives. This Islamic practice would disqualify Hillary as a Candidate if America was a muslim country.

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.9, Book 92, Hadith No.7099,

"Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."
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This verse from the Qur'an deals with women who are raped. In Islam, a woman who is raped needs four male witnesses to verify she was rape.

Noble Qur'an 4:15 (Muhsin Khan):

"And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way*."

*footnote: "(V.4:15) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the Verse of the Surat An-Nur (V.24:2), ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married, when four witneses testify to the crime."

Stoning when accused of adultery. Your life is in the hands of four men who will most likely have you stoned on an accusation alone--an accusation coming from an angry or bored husband who doesn't want you around anymore!
This kind of justice violates all our Constitutional laws and is illegal in America to make rulings like this.
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Child molesting is illegal in America (though liberals want to legalize it).

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.7, Book 67, Chapter 60, Hadith 5158,

"(60) CHAPTER. Whoever consummated his marriage with a lady of nine years of age.

5158. Narrated 'Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

Child marriage is child molesting and is illegal in all 50 States.
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Stoning women to death is also illegal in America. For cases like adultery our laws recommend a divorce.

Al-Muwatta' (The Approved), Vol.2, Book 41, hadith 11,

"Malik narrated that he knew that 'Uthman bin Affan brought a woman who had given birth after six months and he ordered that she be stoned. Then 'Ali bin Abu Talib (RAA) said to him: She is not to be stoned as Allah says in His Holy Book, "Their carrying and weaning is thirty months," and says, "Mothers suckle their children for two full years for whoever wishes to complete the suckling." Therefore, pregnancy may last for six months and she ought not to be stoned. Then 'Uthman bin Affan asked about her and knew that she had already been stoned."
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Islamic Jurisprudence.

Heavenly Ornaments (Behishti Zewar), pp. 624-625,

"Women emerging from their homes for salat

15. Rasulullah Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "The best salat of women is that they offer within the confines of their homes." We learn from this that it is not good for women to go to the musjid in order to offer their salat. We know that there is nothing more virtuous than salat. If it is not good for them to emerge from their homes for salat, how detestable it will be for them to emerge from their homes for useless social visits or to attend customary functions!"

Muslim women are by law confined to their homes. They practice this here in American muslim communities as well. And by the way, the book on Islamic Jurisprudence, Heavenly Oraments, is something that musliim couples receive as a wedding gift.

So far when it comes to women's rights Islamic laws violate all U.S. civil rulings.
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No religious teachings are compatible with US law. It is why we are a secular nation, and not a religious one.
You are off topic. This is not about any other religion than Islam. If you want to challenge me in Christian rights and how our civil laws were plagiarized from the Bible then I'll be happy to school you.
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You are off topic. This is not about any other religion than Islam. If you want to challenge me in Christian rights and how our civil laws were plagiarized from the Bible then I'll be happy to school you.
You started this thread by asking if Islam is compatible with U.S. law ? Skews schooled you in the obvious - our Constitution REQUIRES separation of church and state. VERY on topic. You a trying to fit your square hate into a round hole. Your bad.
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You started this thread by asking if Islam is compatible with U.S. law ? Skews schooled you in the obvious - our Constitution REQUIRES separation of church and state. VERY on topic. You a trying to fit your square hate into a round hole. Your bad.
So, you agree Islam is incompatible with US law, since the Koran forbids separation of church and state.
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So, you agree Islam is incompatible with US law, since the Koran forbids separation of church and state.
Excellent point and spot on!
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So, you agree Islam is incompatible with US law, since the Koran forbids separation of church and state.
Yet Congress has an "official" Chaplain....
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You are off topic. This is not about any other religion than Islam. If you want to challenge me in Christian rights and how our civil laws were plagiarized from the Bible then I'll be happy to school you.

If you want to discuss how the Bible ripped off everything from Zoroastrianism I'll be happy to school YOU
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True Islam is a Radical Theocracy.
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Mass Extermination of Americans...waaaay illegal!

The Qur'an teaches mass extermination of all disbelievers in the world which includes all Americans. An America could save their life if they convert immediately to Islam and obey requirements of Islamic law. But such a forced conversion to safe you life is also a violation of U.S. law. The following Qur'an verse is about the mass extermination of over 5-billion people on earth today. This verse comes complete with tafsir which comes from the best all-time scholars of Islam who interpret the Qur'an for you.

Noble Qur'an 2:193, Madinah Period

"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).* But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

*footnote: "(V.2:193)
(A) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No.24).
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Tafsir Al-Qurtubi, Qur'an 2:193:

"Fight them until there is no more fitna and the deen belongs to Allah alone.
This is a command to fight every idolater in every place according to those who say that it abrogates the previous ayats. According to those who say that it does not abrogate other ayats, it means: fight those about whom Allah says, "if they fight you". The former is the more likely meaning. It is an unqualified command to fight without any precondition of hostilities being initiated by the unbelievers. The evidence for that is in the words of Allah, "and the din belongs to Allah alone." The Prophet said, " I was commanded to fight people until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' The ayat and hadith both indicate that the reason for fighting is disbelief because Allah says, "until there is no more fitna," meaning disbelief in this case. So the goal is to abolish disbelief and that is clear.
Ibn 'Abbas, Qatada, ar-Rabi', as-Suddi and others said that fitna here means shirk and the subsequent injury to the believers caused by it. The root of fitna is testing and trial, derived from the term for testing silver when it is put in the fire to separate the impurities from the pure metal.

If they cease, there should be no enmity towards any but wrongdoers.
If they stop and become Muslim or submit by paying jizya in the case of the people of the Book. Otherwise they should be fought and they are wrongdoers and only transgress against themselves. What is done to the wrongdoers is called enmity since it is the repayment of enmity. Wrongdoing and injustice involve enmity and repayment of enmity is also called enmity. The wrongdoers are either those who initiate fighting or those who remain entrenched in disbelief and fitna."

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation):

"Fight them until there is no more fitna (shirk) in existence and the din (worship) belongs to Allah alone and none but Him is worshipped. If they cease committing shirk there should be no enmity by killing or in any other way towards any but wrongdoers. If someone is not a wrongdoer, there must be no aggression against him."

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

"{Fitnah} meaning, disbelief and worshipping of others with Allah. {and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).} It refers to the fact that the Religion of Allah (Islam) must be prevalent over other religions. {But if they cease,} meaning, you are stop fighting them the moment they stop fighting the believers, and thereto Islam they turned; for whoever fights them after that, he is then a transgressor; and that there should be no transgression except against the polytheists and wrongdoers. Narrated Nafi' that Ibn 'Umar said that two men there came to him during the dispute of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said: "People are fighting each others. What keeps you from taking part in the fighting despite your being Ibn 'Umar and the Companion of the Prophet (PBUH)?" He said: "What keeps me as such is that Allah prohibited the killing of a Muslim." They said: "Has not Allah said: {And fight them until there is no more Fitnah}?" Ibn 'Umar said: "We fought until there were no more Fitnah and all the religion (worship) was for Allah and you want to fight till the Fitnah befalls and not to let the religion be for Allah."
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