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Old July 3rd, 2018, 02:15 PM   #31
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One is original, one is derivative. So you prefer the imitation?
Right wingers are just not happy unless they are propagating hate and division. Just like their Dear Leader.
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Right wingers are just not happy unless they are propagating hate and division. Just like their Dear Leader.
So you are incapable of discussing Islam without spreading hate and division. I wonder why that is.
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Islamic law also allows the use of nuclear missiles against other nations not Islamic enough for them. This can include nuking other muslim nations that one muslim nation doesn't find Islamic enough.
You know there is only one country that has EVER used nuclear weapons in a war and it was against civilian targets on top of that.
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Conversion under threat is in conflict with scripture in Christianity. Under Islam, different story.

Look, there are lots of threads on Christianity and you are free to start your own. Why not discuss Islam on a thread about Islam?
First off, the guy who started this thread did it with the intention of bashing another religion. I'm giving him a taste of his own medicine, and he clearly doesn't like it. He also clearly doesn't like answering questions.

Regarding conversion at swordpoint, Clovis would tell another tale if he were alive today. Plus, the Bible contradicts itself relentlessly. It's not a coherent book by any means. Consider: the 10 Commandments says "Thou Shalt Not Kill". What's the first thing God says to the Israelites when they enter Canaan? Kill every man and boy, the women and girls "untouched by man" could be kept as concubines, wives, or slaves though. Boom, immediately contradicted itself.
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Old July 3rd, 2018, 02:21 PM   #35
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Islam seems more regressive than Christianity. "Seems" being the operative word. The "christians" in the USA seem to have forgotten all the abuses heaped on mankind throughout history by the Church: conversion at swordpoint (yes, the Christians did it too), murdering "witches" over the centuries, executing gay people, medieval tortures, etc. All in the name of Baby Jesus. I'm sure he approved (assuming he existed at all).
You sound like the defender of Islam. Your arguments at best prove the inconsistency caused by hypocrisy among Christians in the past. But 1400 years of Islam demonstrates consistent jihad against non-muslim nations. In fact, a hypocrite muslim is considered one who does not participate in jihad against unbelievers.

Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,

"Chapter 2. Stern Warning Against Forsaking Jihad

3099. It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said, "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy ." (Sahih)

The Qur'an itself teaches that a muslim cannot even make it to paradise without participating in jihad.

Noble Qur'an 57:25,

"Indeed We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance (justice) that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power (in matters of war*), as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help Him (His religion) and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty."

*Footnote: "(V.57:25) Paradise is under the blades of swords (Jihad in Allah's Cause).
a) Narrated Al-Mughirah bin Shu'bah: Our Prophet told us about the Message of our Lord that..."Whoever amongst us is killed (in Jihad in Allah's Cause) will go to Paradise." 'Umar asked the Prophet, "Is it not true that our men who are killed (in Jihad in Allah's Cause) will go to Paradise and their's (i.e. those of the pagan's) will go to the (Hell) Fire?" The Prophet said, "Yes."
b) Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, ! Allah's Messenger said. "Know that Paradise is under the shades of the sword (Jihad in Allah's cause)." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.73 and its chapter No.22).
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Provisions of the Afterlife: Which Lie within Prophetic Gauidance (translated by Ismail Abdus Salaam), p.286,

"Subsequently, Allaah enjoined war against all polytheists. In fact, analysis reveals that jihaad is an individual obligation, whether it be spiritual, monetary, verbal, or physical.
As for physical jihaad, it is a collective obligation and the truth if the matter is that monetary jihaad is also a collective obligation, because Allaah has enjoined the former and latter, and he has said: {proceed in any manner and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for the sake of Allaah. If you only knew that this is better for you} [At Tawva/41].
Jihaad leads to paradise, and the most high has asked: {O you who believe, shall I inform you of a transaction which will spare you a painful punishment. Believe in Alaah and his messenger and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for his sake. If you only knew that this is better for you. He will forgive you and place you in fine homes amidst the rivers of paradise. That is the greatest victory} [As Saff/10-12.]
Jihaad leads to victory"
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Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 26, Hadith no. 36,

"(26) Chapter. Al-Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is part of the faith.
36.Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, "Allah assigns for a person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah's Cause and nothing causes him to do so except belief in Allah and in His Messengers, that he will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in battle as a martyr)" The Prophet added: "Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any Sariya (an army-unit) going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His Cause."

*Footnote: "Al-Jihad (Holy Fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of it's pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior. (His Word - La ilaha illallah - none has a right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanishes. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every muslim, and he who tries escape from his duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."
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Islam seems more regressive than Christianity. "Seems" being the operative word. The "christians" in the USA seem to have forgotten all the abuses heaped on mankind throughout history by the Church: conversion at swordpoint (yes, the Christians did it too), murdering "witches" over the centuries, executing gay people, medieval tortures, etc. All in the name of Baby Jesus. I'm sure he approved (assuming he existed at all).
Yawn. So? You hate Christ, I get it. Hell will welcome you, it's ok.
Extremists are extremists no matter where they are or who they claim to represent. You aren't intelligent enough to represent me though, but hey go ahead and preach.
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You know there is only one country that has EVER used nuclear weapons in a war and it was against civilian targets on top of that.
And we have restrictions about how we are to use them in the future. We don't just nuke a nation because they aren't Christian. But in Islam, nuclear weapons are mentioned in the Qur'an for using against non-muslim nations!
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First off, the guy who started this thread did it with the intention of bashing another religion. I'm giving him a taste of his own medicine, and he clearly doesn't like it. He also clearly doesn't like answering questions.

Regarding conversion at swordpoint, Clovis would tell another tale if he were alive today. Plus, the Bible contradicts itself relentlessly. It's not a coherent book by any means. Consider: the 10 Commandments says "Thou Shalt Not Kill". What's the first thing God says to the Israelites when they enter Canaan? Kill every man and boy, the women and girls "untouched by man" could be kept as concubines, wives, or slaves though. Boom, immediately contradicted itself.
Theological ignorance, but hey....go ahead.
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You know there is only one country that has EVER used nuclear weapons in a war and it was against civilian targets on top of that.
They make it so easy, donít they ? LOL
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