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Old July 3rd, 2018, 03:11 PM   #51
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So, you agree Islam is incompatible with US law, since the Koran forbids separation of church and state.
I agree.

Let me repeat. No religious law is compatible with US law as the US is a secular nation, not a religious one.

I'm glad we can be in agreement on this.

Being the Constitutional scholar you are, I'm sure you've read the document, so would know, that no place within it, is any religion ever mentioned, but in three different places, religion of any kind is expressly prohibited as a test of law or office, including the very first Amendment.

So not to worry this Holiday week. Sharia law will never be a test of law in this country.

And neither will Christian law.
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Muslims are not taught respect for life. Nuking the earth is acceptable practice.

Muslims are allowed to destroy all life on earth and its ok in Islam to do this. They can work the punishing hand of Allah against unbelievers to the point of destroying all life on earth. So first lets examine how muslims are encouraged to become the punishing hand of Allah.

Noble Qur'an 8:17,

"You killed them not, but Allah killed them. And you (Muhammad) threw not when you did throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair trial from Him. Verily, Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

Noble Qur'an 9:14,

"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

Noble Qur'an 9:52,

"Say: "Do you wait for us (anything) except one of the two best things (martyrdom or victory); while we await for you either that Allah will afflict you with a punishment from Himself or at our hands. So wait, we too are waiting with you."

Now lets examine how Allah views our world:

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Imam Bukhari, Chapter 436, Hadith 962,

"Chapter 436: [This World Is More Worthless In The Sight Of Allah Than A Dead Goat]
962. Jabir b.'Abdullah said: "The Messenger of Allah passed the market on his way in from the high part of the city and the people were on both sides of him. He passed a dead goat with both ears cut off and reached out and took the ear. Then he said, 'Who would like to buy this for a dirham? The people said, 'Why would we want to when it is worthless? What would we do with it?' He said, 'Would you like to have it?' They said, 'No.' He said that to them three times and they said, 'No, by Allah! If it were alive, it would have a defect as it has no ear. Why would we want it when it is dead?' The Prophet said, 'By Allah, this world is less in the sight of Allah than this dead goat is to you.' "

Seeing how life on earth is so worthless to Allah, it should be no surprise that Allah has in mind to destroy the entire earth, without restoring it (as it is restored in Rev.21:1-8 ). Since muslims can work the punishing hand of Allah, lets see what Allah wants to do to all life on earth.

Noble Qur'an 18:7-8,

7.Verily, we have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in deeds. [i.e those who do good deeds in the most perfect manner, that means to do them (deeds) totally for Allah's sake and in accordance to the legal ways of the Prophet].
8. And verily, We shall make all that is on it (the earth) bare dry soil (without any vegetation or trees).

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

Verse 7: "Then Allah, the Almighty states that He doomed the life of this world to removal, making it a temporary abode, adorned with transitory beauty, only as place of trail, and not a place of settlement saying: {Verily! We have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in deeds.} It is authentically stated that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "Verily, this world is sweet and green (flourishing), and Allah makes you generations succeeding one another, so He is watching what you will do. Beware of women, for the first trails from which the Children of Israel had suffered was that of women."

Verse 8: "Then Allah, the Almighty affirms the fact that this world is doomed to removal, vanishing, bareness and destruction saying: {And verily! We shall make all that is on it (the earth) a bare dry soil.} i.e. Allah says: "We will set it to debris, destruction, all demolishing all that is on its surface, making it useless, all the while setting it to bareness, producing no vegetations." Mujahid said: "This world will be turned into a dry barren plain." Qatadah said: "It will be turned into a plain on which there are no trees or vegetation."
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Noble Qur'an 55:26-27,

26. Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish.
27. And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will remind forever."

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation),

26. Everyone on it will pass away -- all living creatures on the earth will die. This use of the pronoun for intelligent beings predominates,
27. ...but the Face of your Lord (His Immense Essence) will remain, Master of Majesty and Generosity. He is generous to the believers by blessing them."

All that remains on earth is Allah's face (the face of death).
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Now think about it. Muslims are allowed to work the punishing hand of Allah, including the use of nuclear missiles (Qur'an 8:60). They seek to exterminate all unbelievers on earth until only Islam remains. But this conquest to conquer earth to dominate it ends in the earth being completely destroyed by the hands of muslims who are working the punishing hand of Allah. Now since Allah was nothing more than the sock-puppet of Muhammad, it is clear that Islam is a threat to the United States as well as the entire earth!
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Now lets see what the God of the Bible says about life in this world.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

How does the Bible describe Satan?

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10).

Revelation 11:18 tells us the state of the world when Christ returns:

"The nations were angry,
but Your wrath has come.
The time has come
for the dead to be judged
and to give the reward
to Your servants the prophets,
to the saints, and to those who fear Your name,
both small and great,
and the time has come to destroy
those who destroy the earth."
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Ploughboy keeps up with the walls of text, thinking we're hanging on every word with bated breath!
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If you wouldn't troll so much you might actually learn something.
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Well that's good, but fortunately for Americans you are nobody. Your hatred for the Bible is not the subject of this topic. I would like to keep this topic about Muhammad and Islamic teachings. So is it possible you can stay on topic without trying to spin it around on Christianity? If you want to try and prove the Bible has no place in American life then open a topic and I'll be obliged to destroy all your weak and bigoted arguments with knowable facts. But this topic is about Islamic doctrines and whether or not they have a place in this county?
Don't care what you would like. *shrug*
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So, you agree Islam is incompatible with US law, since the Koran forbids separation of church and state.
So fucking what? We are not a theocracy, we don't base U.S. law on ANY one religion.
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Aah, so you've decided one ancient text is better tan another. How scholarly f you.
Where did he say that?
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Islamic law also allows the use of nuclear missiles against other nations not Islamic enough for them. This can include nuking other muslim nations that one muslim nation doesn't find Islamic enough.

Noble Qur'an 8:60,

"And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly."

Preemptive nuclear strikes or preemptive war in general goes against U.S. policy. So this would disqualify a muslim seeking high positions in the White House, since preemptive nuclear warfare is contrary to U.S. law.

And yes, the Noble Qur'an really does say missiles. Its the best selling English Qur'an in the world with the highest marks a Qur'an can receive. It was approved by the University of Medina and the kind of Saudi Arabia.
Funny, but only ONE nation in the world has actually used nuclear bombs in war. In fact that country dropped TWO of them.
Guess what, it was NOT a nation with a Muslim majority.
How many guesses would you like as to what that nation's name is?
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Funny, but only ONE nation in the world has actually used nuclear bombs in war. In fact that country dropped TWO of them.
Guess what, it was NOT a nation with a Muslim majority.
How many guesses would you like as to what that nation's name is?
But we don't have a (so-called) holy book telling us to nuke our enemies and destroy all life on earth! Huge difference! We care about life. We want to live. Muslims do not care about life and want to die.
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You sure love defending Islamic jihad.
That's what the Old Testament calls "bearing false witness". Not so strange that you forgive Donald Trump for his many instances of bearing false witness since you hold that commandment, apparently, in low regard as well.

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