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Old July 5th, 2018, 05:10 AM   #1
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Conservatives will always call socialists hypocrites. Ignore them.

this is one of the smartest and most articulate of the rebuttals to the ignorant right wing slurs against the left ...

Conservatives will always call socialists hypocrites. Ignore them.


by Elizabeth Bruenig / July 4 at 4:59 PM

Shortly after Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old democratic socialist, pulled off a surprise left-flank victory over incumbent Rep. Joseph Crowley in a New York congressional primary last week, pictures of her childhood home began appearing on social media. The grainy image of the small blue cottage was evidently swiped from Google Street View and uploaded to Twitter by conservative television host John Cardillo. The tidy little home, Cardillo tweeted, was in fact ďthe Yorktown Heights (very nice area) home @Ocasio2018 grew up in before going off to Ivy League Brown University,Ē he clarified: ďA far cry from the Bronx hood upbringing sheís selling.Ē Got her, in other words: a champagne socialist, after all.

Cardillo was wrong. Ocasio-Cortez was born in the Bronx, though her family moved to Yorktown Heights years later in an effort to place her in better public schools. And she went to Boston University, not Brown University, and not Ivy League. But the failure of one set of accusations along these lines usually just leads to another, and it forms an ugly paradox that applies only to the left: If you care about material equality and you arenít destitute, youíre a hypocrite; if you care about material equality and you are destitute, youíre never going to have a real shot at political engagement to begin with.

As more left-flank challengers face off with center-left incumbents and more democratic socialists begin looking toward public office, beware: You will all be called champagne socialists or yacht communists, the ritzier and more radical counterparts of limousine liberals. It doesnít matter how comparatively humble your background is, or how relatively modest your means in the context of the political class at-large ó itíll always be news if Bernie Sanders wears a $700 coat or buys a house by a lake, because his political position on inequality is so obviously moral that the only way to impeach it is to make him seem dishonest about it. The same goes, and will continue to go, for every other candidate who attempts to advance material equality. This stance is hard to supply a persuasive democratic alternative to, so critics instead claim that its standard-bearers donít really mean it.

Even when oneís status or story is presented unfairly, the argument usually isnít worth having. One might as well not give them an opening, or another thing to mock: Itís not going to be enough anyway, so underexposure ó a decisive turn away from the bare-it-all, narrative-based style of self-presentation typical of the left ó is understandable. And why should it matter? Lives are infinitely complicated and nuanced, and if yours brought you to a good political agenda youíre ready to work hard for, then thatís good enough.

So thereís dishonesty and thereís bad faith and there are things better left unsaid ó and underneath all of that is the neglected fact that there really arenít many poor people in politics, not simply because politics is a good way to get filthy rich in the most emphatically filthy way but also because itís a hard racket to break into if youíre not a little canny in the ways of the well-to-do. Only about 2 percent of members of Congress come from working-class professions, a fair index of class background, and only about 3 percent of state-level legislators come from the same.

White-collar upbringings impart by osmosis what it takes to get along in politics, and not just monetarily. Consider the case of Robert Gray, a long-haul trucker who, in 2015, won Mississippiís Democratic gubernatorial primary. Gray barely had time to give any interviews after his surprising win; he had sweet potatoes to transport to a potato chip plant in Pennsylvania. And when he did speak to the media, he didnít talk like a politician, or even a politician-who-doesnít-sound-like-a-politician. As a semi-pitying New York Times article noted at the time: ďMr. Gray acknowledged that he had a lot to learn about glad-handing. He spends most of his time behind a wheel, he said. Truckers do not make great communicators.Ē Gray sounded like a working-class person because thatís what he was; itís only the white-collar world, collegiate life and its professional aftermath that prepare one for the kind of slick self-promotion and brand packaging that translate into skill with donors and voters.

This isnít inherent. Anyone can learn it ó you just have to be given the opportunity, and only the relatively well-to-do generally are. But use that opportunity to advance politics that would more widely distribute the means to self-advocate, and recriminations are sure to follow. This is class conflict, plain and simple.

Conservatives will continue to skewer as hypocritical anyone who takes exception to the unfair, anti-egalitarian system outlined above by fighting for equality even if they come from inequalityís better side. They will do this to the detriment of everyone on its worse side, and for that reason should be ignored.

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You mean conservatives lied...again?
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You mean conservatives lied...again?
Is that the subject of the article? No. Is that the spin being placed on it here? Yes.
The article is not about the "lie" told about her education. It's a cover up and "they all do it" for the fact that she wasn't raised in the Bronx as advertised. Dems seem to be more interested in what people self identify as than what they actually are. So far the candidate seems to be distancing herself from the debate by allowing more articulate newseys and opinion writers to cover for her. This rambling example of whitewashing is a great example of attempting to bore readers into a stupor while raking in the cash based on fee per inch of output.
Aside from being brought along in the Obama mold she seem to be what she claims. That will resonate in the echo chamber of her district and in some quarters of the liberal establishment but she'll not be able to replicate the kind of adoration and praise seen for BarryO. After all BarryO was the Manchurian candidate embodied, she's a Bernie clone.
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Is that the subject of the article? No. Is that the spin being placed on it here? Yes.
The article is not about the "lie" told about her education. It's a cover up and "they all do it" for the fact that she wasn't raised in the Bronx as advertised. Dems seem to be more interested in what people self identify as than what they actually are. So far the candidate seems to be distancing herself from the debate by allowing more articulate newseys and opinion writers to cover for her. This rambling example of whitewashing is a great example of attempting to bore readers into a stupor while raking in the cash based on fee per inch of output.
Aside from being brought along in the Obama mold she seem to be what she claims. That will resonate in the echo chamber of her district and in some quarters of the liberal establishment but she'll not be able to replicate the kind of adoration and praise seen for BarryO. After all BarryO was the Manchurian candidate embodied, she's a Bernie clone.



Obama--the Manchurian candidate?? A black guy, raised by grandparents in Hawaii? Spent 4 yrs in Kenya as a child? A guy who was never in the military? Never surrounded by Communists? Disgusted with Putin and Russia? Awarded the Nobel? That Obama?? The one who cried during the Sandy Hook massacre?
The one who encouraged this country to care about each other--lift up one another?

If Obama WAS the Manchurian candidate he was SUPER LOUSY at it.
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Obama--the Manchurian candidate?? A black guy, raised by grandparents in Hawaii? Spent 4 yrs in Kenya as a child? A guy who was never in the military? Never surrounded by Communists? Disgusted with Putin and Russia? Awarded the Nobel? That Obama?? The one who cried during the Sandy Hook massacre?
The one who encouraged this country to care about each other--lift up one another?

If Obama WAS the Manchurian candidate he was SUPER LOUSY at it.
A conservative lied again? Amazing!
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Is that the subject of the article? No. Is that the spin being placed on it here? Yes.
The article is not about the "lie" told about her education. It's a cover up and "they all do it" for the fact that she wasn't raised in the Bronx as advertised. Dems seem to be more interested in what people self identify as than what they actually are. So far the candidate seems to be distancing herself from the debate by allowing more articulate newseys and opinion writers to cover for her. This rambling example of whitewashing is a great example of attempting to bore readers into a stupor while raking in the cash based on fee per inch of output.
Aside from being brought along in the Obama mold she seem to be what she claims. That will resonate in the echo chamber of her district and in some quarters of the liberal establishment but she'll not be able to replicate the kind of adoration and praise seen for BarryO. After all BarryO was the Manchurian candidate embodied, she's a Bernie clone.
Conservatives lied about Ocasio- period. And they also lied about Obama, repeatedly.

Can you guys ever just tell the truth and argue your positions on their merit? Why do you constantly have to lie about people? Why not tell he truth?
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Obama--the Manchurian candidate?? A black guy, raised by grandparents in Hawaii? Spent 4 yrs in Kenya as a child? A guy who was never in the military? Never surrounded by Communists? Disgusted with Putin and Russia? Awarded the Nobel? That Obama?? The one who cried during the Sandy Hook massacre?
The one who encouraged this country to care about each other--lift up one another?

If Obama WAS the Manchurian candidate he was SUPER LOUSY at it.
I thought that would raise the old arguments of 8 yrs ago fer sure. The movie was simply using the Korean War as a vehicle to portray the way brainwashing works and used it as a way to make more vivid the danger of the process. Calling BarryO the Manchurian Candidate isn't a reference to the movie it's a depiction of the way Obama was "manufactured" to be the perfect stealth candidate. He's the guy you loved to hate and hated to love at the same time. It took 4 years for people to wake up and see the true nature of the beast and take legislative control away from the Dems. BarryO simply reverted to form and started using his phone and pen to keep his base happy. Didn't work.
He was very good at it.
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Wait, so tris you are not a socialist now?


Just the other day you had finally come to terms w/ this. Came out of the closet, so to say.
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LOL @ egalitarian and Socialism even being used in the same sentence
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Seems to me, the Democrats are cutting their own throats. A nobody (socialist) beat an incumbent Democrat.
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