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Old July 5th, 2018, 03:39 PM   #21
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When the Hebrews used to practice Jubilee , slaves were freed every seventh year.
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In the Bible the word translated as slavery is also often translated as servant. My opinion slavery in ancient times was different and not as evil as what was practiced in America.
So beating your “servant” is not evil?
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Best Way To Discredit Atheism

Its funny how this topic opens as a means to derail the other topic dealing with Islam. Well, fair enough. On that topic I stuck to the teachings of Islam, whereas my opposition had no defense against the Islamic teachings other than to refuted me with their overly emotional bias opinions which is in huge violation of all logical discourse and debate. But bigotry has a way of holding on to hate as the last topic proved.

In this topic I will do the same. I will answer logically and provide a solid defense for atheistic skepticism on the Bible. The atheists will have no defense for their skepticism other than to be overly emotional driven to manipulate as much as they possibly can. But there is no use. They cannot provide a single verse from the Bible commanding believers to murder all disbelievers. No such verse exist in the Bible. The laws of our nation were framed by Christian men who fought a hard battle to give us the freedom so many atheists no longer tolerate because our laws do not discriminate against Christians. Atheists are religious fanatics. Their only belief system that holds them together is their misguided hatred for all things Christ. Jesus did say the world would hate us believers because they hated Him first.

I can go on the Hindu and Buddhist section of this forum and not see any atheists attack those beliefs. The atheists seem pretty cool with Hinduism and Buddhism and even radical Islam for all that. Being an atheist is an inaccurate word as it doesn't really tell us what they are against. The proper word is Antichrist, since atheists only hate Christianity and attack the faith without knowing anything about it which I have proven here and will continue to prove over and over again until it hurts. For if atheists here think their bigotry is gonna get a free pass with me they are gonna learn to hate me. But the learning process is not always enjoyable but atheists here are gonna learn that everything they think they know about the Bible isn't true. They did not learn Christianity from Christian sources. They went to atheist sources and those sources always lie 100% of the time which I haven proven here and will continue to prove until it hurts.

Best way to thoroughly discredit evolution theory is to answer Biblical skepticism. I know a very smart young man who some months back was an agnostic and didn't know what to believe. So he began to search out arguments from both sides. He read plenty of atheist skepticism on the Bible and it was through that skepticism he realized that atheism and evolution was a lie based on hate with no truth to it at all. He saw how atheists manipulated verses and distorted them to make them mean something other than the intended meaning. He saw how Christians represented their faith very clearly, giving sound explanations for each verse attacked by atheists. He realized through his study of Biblical skepticism that atheism is not true since it is not based on anything other than ignorance and hate.

So Biblical skepticism actually works against atheism as no atheist in the world, alive or dead, as the knowledge of a priest. The priest knows how to untwist what has been twisted. There is no lies allowed nor tolerated in the Christian faith. Christians who lie go to hell for an eternity so true believers avoid lying. I have not told a single lie, not even a small lie, in 15 years. I know the day that I lie God will remove His blessing from me and rightfully so. I do not nee to lie and twist anything. I can be honest and straightforward as a Christian and keep my conscience clear. For we Christians live by a higher morality than the moral relativism which comes from the survival of the fittest mentality of atheism. So when atheists get their skepticism answered and the answer is sound then that goes against the entire theory of evolution. Anyone with a clear thinking mind should see that atheists do not represent the Bible with any sense of respect or fairness, and such disrespect and unfair treatment of the Bible only proves that the motives for faith in evolution theory comes from their indulgence of sin and they don't want to repent their sins to God and be forgiven. So its all about sinful indulgences. Becoming a Christian is so easy and all it takes is a clear mind and soul to see the truth of Christ. Those who have corrupted themselves never see the forest through the trees.
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Old July 5th, 2018, 03:50 PM   #24
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When the Hebrews used to practice Jubilee , slaves were freed every seventh year.
The MALE slaves were freed. If that slave was “given” a wife or children they were kept as slaves. The male could either go free or stay with his wife and children and remain a slave forever


EXODUS 21:2-6
21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
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Are Christian teachings compatible with U.S. law?
Are the teachings of the bible a civil rights violation?
Does the bible hold any moral value that we Americans need?
Should Christian teachings be taught in schools?


This is obviously a parallel parody of another thread.
But to give some similar examples...

Bible endorsing slavery:
Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

Bible endorsing misogyny:
1 Corinthians 14
34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Bible commanding genocide:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV.
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1

Yes. It falls under the First Amendment rights of the free exercise of religion, and the right to free speech.

You can teach whatever religious material you want in your church, home, or place of gathering.
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Old July 5th, 2018, 04:25 PM   #26
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The OT laws are a good schoolmaster in knowing good from evil. I just finished reading the whole Torah only a couple of months ago and haven't read it all through for a long time. The Book of Numbers is, for the most part, very boring. The last chapter is the best part of the Book. The rest of the Torah is excellent knowledge for those looking to understand their faith better. I have no problem believing it. I can tell just by reading the Book of Exodus that the events were clearly not of this world and yet very very believable. But when to read the Book of Deuteronomy all remaining skepticism disappears, as the Book is so filled with knowledge which spoke about future events so far ahead of its time there is no excuse for atheism. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove the texts we have in our Bibles read the same. So its impossible to claim those prophecies were all self-fulfilled. And why on earth would the Jews want to fulfill the prophecy of Deut.28:15-68?? Yet that entire prophetic curse to the Jews happen exactly as it was written in the Book of Deuteronomy! Then the blessing of the Jews in chapter 31 is also fulfilled prophecy! So when I read Exodus and Deuteronomy I am convinced beyond all shadow of a doubt that what happened in ancient Israel was authentic, being of Divine Providence of our Creator and Redeemer. And I am also warned of disobedience and the results of God turning away from a nation as He did with Israel in A.D. 70.

Simply stated, it pays to read before pumping out loads of skepticism. Those who read and allow the Scriptures to interpret themselves are those who find the truth of God. Going to an atheist website and copying skepticism from there and pasting it here will not go far with those of us who actually did read the Torah. Yes, there were bloody wars in the Torah as well as in the Book of Joshua. Though if a nation didn't fight with Israel and made a treaty with them there was no war. So it wasn't like they came in and slaughtered people unwilling and able to fight. They fought against physically strong people, stronger than themselves. But their wars never left the boundaries that God allowed for them. They fought for a nation the size of the State of New Hampshire and never expanded its borders. Their wars are for their land. Those wars in the Bible do not leave the tiny little nation of Israel. So what wars one reads in the Bible have nothing to do with us today. But the wars of Islam, on the other hand, have everything to do with us today, as Islam is a "war against all," and muslims believe all nations are a inheritance to the muslims.

Morality. Our nation was founded on Christian morality. Did all Christians follow that morality? No. You will always find nominal Christians who are in name only but never recognized by their actions. Jesus spoke about these people all the time and doesn't recognize their salvation. We Christians treat women with the utmost respect. We do not murder babies for the purpose of prolonged sexual enjoyment. We live by a moral code given to us by Christ who even a deist like Thomas Jefferson recognized His teachings as perfect for founding the new nation. For you can strip Jesus of all His miracles and He is still God...the word made flesh. His life and teachings changed the world and led to modern civilization. We have never founded a society on earth under a better moral system than our nation's Constitution. We do not live in a perfect world and never will. But the teachings of Christ have taken mankind a great deal farther than the hollow and empty teachings of secular humanists who have no binding morale and whose teachings have led to this current age of narcissism and hate. The morality of Jesus superseded all religious teachers before and after Him. No man on earth ever lived a more righteous life than that of Jesus Christ.

Jesus never said He knew the truth. He said He is the truth. The rise of modern science and civilization is a testimony of all those believers who followed in the way of the our Master, Jesus Christ. Any other philosophy will only lay low our nation. So many of you are lucky to have been born in a nation that allows the truth of the world and our existence to be known. Don't take your freedom for granted.
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I believe that we should be able to teach the basic tenets of the Christian religion (as information, not proselytizing), just as we do Islam, Hindi, Judaism, etc. As we gain more and more immigrants from other cultures, Christianity is going to be as alien to them as those other religions have been to Americans for generations. Knowledge is a good thing IMO.

I do NOT believe that we need teach SCRIPTURE in order to teach basic religious tenets.

"Students may be taught about religion, but public schools may not teach religion. As the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly said, "[i]t might well be said that one's education is not complete without a study of comparative religion, or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization."

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Please explain to me how are you going to teach this in the school:

Exodus 4:18-31
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...31&version=NIV



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21 The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son,

23 and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’”

24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses[a] and was about to kill him.

25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.


26 So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)
I'm really curious what does the Bible mean by touching his feet with freshly cut off penis skin here? Of his son, by his wife, I guess she is also the mother or something.

And generally what the hell is going on there?

Edit: There is no such thing in the US law is it?

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"Students may be taught about religion, but public schools may not teach religion. As the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly said, "[i]t might well be said that one's education is not complete without a study of comparative religion, or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization."

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/..._guidance.html
Too bad we don't have enough educated Supreme Court Justices who understand the history of our nation, or remember who Noah Webster was and what he did for this country. Too bad there are not enough educated Supreme Court Justices who know that evolution theory is found throughout the ancient world and all doctrines of evolution theory, as we know them today, comes from various ancient pagan religions. But atheists never want to admit that because they want their religion forced in the public schools.

I who wants an atheist teacher teaching comparative religion? I say the best way to settle it is to toss out all religion from the public schools, K-12, and allow for College courses to teach classes on evolution theory and Biblical creationism (separate classes, though). Or, send a child to a private school that teaches evolution theory and how to be a humanist, while other parents can send their kids to private Christian schools to learn how to be a Christian etc. But this tolerance has to be a two way street and we never see any tolerance or compromise coming from atheists. Thus, this dispute will never end.
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A bit fuzzy but I seem to remember a scene where Mammy and the older man servant who was a Butler I think were discussing the fact that they were now free and what they should do. They were slaves but called servants ala the Romans.
Well, it's not fuzzy to me.

You're talking about a scene that happens almost at the end of the movie after they've been SLAVES for the entire time.

But were called servants a la the Romans.
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