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Old July 7th, 2018, 03:47 AM   #61
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You mean most liberal historians agree. Not hard to refute liberal historians.
You really struggle with logic, don’t you?

I know you keep touting how logical you are, but for all your words, it sails way over your head!

You keep on trotting out the same old same old and because its in a book, you KNOW it is right! Unlike you, I am Christian, but I don’t KNOW I am right; I don’t even KNOW the Bible is right; I believe it to be. However, for me to argue continually with people that my perspective is right because I know it to be, would not make me sound intelligent, it would make me sound like a small-minded bigot.

What about if I base my philosophy on Tolkien’s writings? How about I prove you wrong because it says so in the ‘Lord of the Rings’? Are you convinced? No, well what about these quotes from the ‘Silmarillion’ – are you not suddenly awakened to the truth? Still not? Well how about I post more and more, maybe that will work? Because I KNOW that it is true?

Hopefully, pretty quickly (assuming of course you have some level of logic), you would appreciate that this is nonsense. So why can’t you see that you do the same thing with your ‘knowledge’? If someone believes the same as you (heaven help them), then they may wish to engage in discussion. However, if all you do is base your 'knowledge' on book or books which are, by their nature, open to doubt/faith, then you are wasting your time.

What you call ‘liberal historians’ are probably what everyone on this planet would recognise as objective historians, because they don’t base their argument on emotion.
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Old July 7th, 2018, 04:57 AM   #62
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You really struggle with logic, don’t you?

I know you keep touting how logical you are, but for all your words, it sails way over your head!

You keep on trotting out the same old same old and because its in a book, you KNOW it is right! Unlike you, I am Christian, but I don’t KNOW I am right; I don’t even KNOW the Bible is right; I believe it to be. However, for me to argue continually with people that my perspective is right because I know it to be, would not make me sound intelligent, it would make me sound like a small-minded bigot.

What about if I base my philosophy on Tolkien’s writings? How about I prove you wrong because it says so in the ‘Lord of the Rings’? Are you convinced? No, well what about these quotes from the ‘Silmarillion’ – are you not suddenly awakened to the truth? Still not? Well how about I post more and more, maybe that will work? Because I KNOW that it is true?

Hopefully, pretty quickly (assuming of course you have some level of logic), you would appreciate that this is nonsense. So why can’t you see that you do the same thing with your ‘knowledge’? If someone believes the same as you (heaven help them), then they may wish to engage in discussion. However, if all you do is base your 'knowledge' on book or books which are, by their nature, open to doubt/faith, then you are wasting your time.

What you call ‘liberal historians’ are probably what everyone on this planet would recognise as objective historians, because they don’t base their argument on emotion.
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I agree but I still think something needs to be done about the teachings of Islam since they are sedition against the Constitution. Maybe the Qur'an can be re-written by the government to remove all violent passages and replace them with something like,

2:191, Happy is love with gum drop smiles everywhere.
2:192, Kumbaya and love is found in the air.
2:193, So love everyone and sing a happy song that's nice.



So maybe the government can put restrictions on the Qur'an and Sunnah as it is the sole culprit in radicalizing muslims to become terrorists. So e-writing a sanitized version of the Qur'an might be the only way to make Islamic teachings legal

You mean like how governments and church leaders in the past have edited and sanitized the bible ???
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Old July 7th, 2018, 12:22 PM   #64
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You really struggle with logic, don’t you?

I know you keep touting how logical you are, but for all your words, it sails way over your head!

You keep on trotting out the same old same old and because its in a book, you KNOW it is right! Unlike you, I am Christian, but I don’t KNOW I am right; I don’t even KNOW the Bible is right; I believe it to be. However, for me to argue continually with people that my perspective is right because I know it to be, would not make me sound intelligent, it would make me sound like a small-minded bigot.

What about if I base my philosophy on Tolkien’s writings? How about I prove you wrong because it says so in the ‘Lord of the Rings’? Are you convinced? No, well what about these quotes from the ‘Silmarillion’ – are you not suddenly awakened to the truth? Still not? Well how about I post more and more, maybe that will work? Because I KNOW that it is true?

Hopefully, pretty quickly (assuming of course you have some level of logic), you would appreciate that this is nonsense. So why can’t you see that you do the same thing with your ‘knowledge’? If someone believes the same as you (heaven help them), then they may wish to engage in discussion. However, if all you do is base your 'knowledge' on book or books which are, by their nature, open to doubt/faith, then you are wasting your time.

What you call ‘liberal historians’ are probably what everyone on this planet would recognise as objective historians, because they don’t base their argument on emotion.

This is exactly the problem with people like PB. They are CONVINCED that they are right and EVERYONE who doesn't think the exact same way is wrong. They can't even get along with other Christians !! That's why there are something like 33,000 distinct denominations of Christianity in the world. And EACH ONE OF THEM is convinced that THEIR interpretation of the PARTS of the bible they chose to believe in constitutes the ONE TRUE religion.

They surrender all reason and logic when they adopt this stance. Their rationality becomes circular and self serving. At this point it become easier to to teach the proverbial pig to sing than get someone like PB to see anything that even hints at reason or logic.

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You mean like how governments and church leaders in the past have edited and sanitized the bible ???
When? People, places and dates please.
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When? People, places and dates please.
Constantine ?? Council at Nicaea ??? Ring a bell ??? Do a little research why don't you ?? Read a little history ???
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You really struggle with logic, don’t you?

I know you keep touting how logical you are, but for all your words, it sails way over your head!

You keep on trotting out the same old same old and because its in a book, you KNOW it is right! Unlike you, I am Christian, but I don’t KNOW I am right; I don’t even KNOW the Bible is right; I believe it to be. However, for me to argue continually with people that my perspective is right because I know it to be, would not make me sound intelligent, it would make me sound like a small-minded bigot.

What about if I base my philosophy on Tolkien’s writings? How about I prove you wrong because it says so in the ‘Lord of the Rings’? Are you convinced? No, well what about these quotes from the ‘Silmarillion’ – are you not suddenly awakened to the truth? Still not? Well how about I post more and more, maybe that will work? Because I KNOW that it is true?

Hopefully, pretty quickly (assuming of course you have some level of logic), you would appreciate that this is nonsense. So why can’t you see that you do the same thing with your ‘knowledge’? If someone believes the same as you (heaven help them), then they may wish to engage in discussion. However, if all you do is base your 'knowledge' on book or books which are, by their nature, open to doubt/faith, then you are wasting your time.

What you call ‘liberal historians’ are probably what everyone on this planet would recognise as objective historians, because they don’t base their argument on emotion.
History is not to be subjected to fad and fashion. It is not to be changed and altered. This is why liberals should not teach history. We don't change history...we preserve it.

And for a Christian you sure like to judge those of us who do have true faith. You may call yourself a Christian but none of your positions held here are recognizable by other Christians as being of the undivided body of Christ. You are separated yourself from the rest of the body and think that is better. Perhaps you better spend the rest of the summer reading the NT and stay offline for a little while until you know your beliefs better. As of right now, you are attacking other Christians who are holding commonly held Christian viewpoints, regardless of their denomination. Christians are also supposed to have humility and you have none.
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When? People, places and dates please.
Septuagint, vulgate, codex Vaticanus, codex Alexandrius, codex Aminatinus.... etc

Can you look up the dates, places and people yourself, or will that do you?

Darn objective perspective - it’s always going to catch you out....
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History is not to be subjected to fad and fashion. It is not to be changed and altered. This is why liberals should not teach history. We don't change history...we preserve it.

And for a Christian you sure like to judge those of us who do have true faith. You may call yourself a Christian but none of your positions held here are recognizable by other Christians as being of the undivided body of Christ. You are separated yourself from the rest of the body and think that is better. Perhaps you better spend the rest of the summer reading the NT and stay offline for a little while until you know your beliefs better. As of right now, you are attacking other Christians who are holding commonly held Christian viewpoints, regardless of their denomination. Christians are also supposed to have humility and you have none.

Neither do you !!!! You condescension and arrogance are more than evident in your writings.
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History is not to be subjected to fad and fashion. It is not to be changed and altered. This is why liberals should not teach history. We don't change history...we preserve it.

And for a Christian you sure like to judge those of us who do have true faith. You may call yourself a Christian but none of your positions held here are recognizable by other Christians as being of the undivided body of Christ. You are separated yourself from the rest of the body and think that is better. Perhaps you better spend the rest of the summer reading the NT and stay offline for a little while until you know your beliefs better. As of right now, you are attacking other Christians who are holding commonly held Christian viewpoints, regardless of their denomination. Christians are also supposed to have humility and you have none.
History isn’t subject to fad and fashion???? I can’t believe you could even think that, never mind write it! History is completely subject to fad and fashion! Have you ever studied history, or do you just come up with this stuff? Good grief, do you really think there is some truly objective history book??

History shouldn’t be taught by liberals??? I reject your fatuous label of ‘liberal’ as I don’t think you actually have any idea what that term means. I think what you are trying to say is that you don’t think anyone who disagrees with your parochial and bigoted world view should teach it.

Once again, you have taken absolutely no notice of what I have said, regarding my comments on you using biblical perspective to argue, have you? But then in the short time I have discussed things with you, you have shown a spectacular ability to side step anything that challenges you.

I don’t challenge Christians - I challenge you! True Christians don’t spout the malice and prejudice you do. I have no humility? I wonder if we should have a vote here and let’s see between you and I, who has displayed the greater humility. You have no understanding of the Christian faith, so dont even try to lecture me on what I should do. What is apparent is that every day in your hateful diatribes you fall short of Matthew 22:35-40

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