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Old July 5th, 2018, 08:47 AM   #1
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Post Is teaching the Bible compatible with U.S. law?

Are Christian teachings compatible with U.S. law?
Are the teachings of the bible a civil rights violation?
Does the bible hold any moral value that we Americans need?
Should Christian teachings be taught in schools?


This is obviously a parallel parody of another thread.
But to give some similar examples...

Bible endorsing slavery:
Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

Bible endorsing misogyny:
1 Corinthians 14
34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Bible commanding genocide:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV.
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1
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Old July 5th, 2018, 08:52 AM   #2
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Are Christian teachings compatible with U.S. law?
Are the teachings of the bible a civil rights violation?
Does the bible hold any moral value that we Americans need?
Should Christian teachings be taught in schools?


This is obviously a parallel parody of another thread.
But to give some similar examples...

Bible endorsing slavery:
Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

Bible endorsing misogyny:
1 Corinthians 14
34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Bible commanding genocide:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV.
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1
Beating and stoning of children, don't forget that part. And the same for cheating wives.
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Is teaching the bible compatible with US law? Well, I guess if you want to ban certain speech because it offends you then you could say no. Other than that, its one thing to teach its another to act. Also its disingenuous to not separate the old and new testament imo. There is the teachings of Christ and then you have the old testament. They are not the same.
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Beating and stoning of children, don't forget that part. And the same for cheating wives.
A rapist can satisfy the crime by paying the woman's father some money and then marries his rape victim...
Cause in rape, it's the father who suffers for having a daughter that has lost her virginity...

Deuteronomy 22
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


I love how it says he can never divorce her.
The fact that a woman has just been condemned to a lifetime marriage with her rapist is not relevant...
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Here is the beginning and basis of it all:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...17&version=CEB

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God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants in every generation.

10 This is my covenant that you and your descendants must keep: Circumcise every male.

11 You must circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it will be a symbol of the covenant between us.

12 On the eighth day after birth, every male in every generation must be circumcised, including those who are not your own children: those born in your household and those purchased with silver from foreigners.

13 Be sure you circumcise those born in your household and those purchased with your silver. Your flesh will embody my covenant as an enduring covenant.

14 Any uncircumcised male whose flesh of his foreskin remains uncircumcised will be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant.”
Ritualistic castration doesn't seem to be very civilized to me.

It is not banned for some strange reason although it should be, given the lack of any rational reason for such painful and dangerous mutilation.
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Is teaching the bible compatible with US law? Well, I guess if you want to ban certain speech because it offends you then you could say no. Other than that, its one thing to teach its another to act. Also its disingenuous to not separate the old and new testament imo. There is the teachings of Christ and then you have the old testament. They are not the same.
Then why do so many of the fundie menace quote the OT so much?
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I believe that we should be able to teach the basic tenets of the Christian religion (as information, not proselytizing), just as we do Islam, Hindi, Judaism, etc. As we gain more and more immigrants from other cultures, Christianity is going to be as alien to them as those other religions have been to Americans for generations. Knowledge is a good thing IMO.

I do NOT believe that we need teach SCRIPTURE in order to teach basic religious tenets.
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I don't have a problem with teaching about the bible in public schools.
That's teaching, not preaching.
Addressing God and Jesus the same way you address Zeus and Apollo, not as real entities, but as things that primitive people believed in. (still do for that matter).
The problem is, this country is loaded with primitive people, who haven't fully grasped the current era, and are still in the Bronze Age with some of their thinking.

Witness our Bronze Age President.....
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Then why do so many of the fundie menace quote the OT so much?
I have no idea. You would have to ask them
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In the Bible the word translated as slavery is also often translated as servant. My opinion slavery in ancient times was different and not as evil as what was practiced in America.
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