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Old July 30th, 2017, 04:59 PM   #1
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Fallouts from China's impotence towards NKorea's nuclear programme

In some political media, I came across claims by some people that China is using North Korea as a proxy to fight against the US or using the North Korean nuclear programme as a bargaining tool in its international diplomacy. If the claims are true, China is making a pact with the Devil. What has China gained from the US with its "bargaining tool"? Getting the US to force Taiwan to reunite with the Chinese mainland? Getting the US to rescind the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act? Getting Japan to return the Diaoyu Islands to China? Getting all the US forces to withdraw from Asia to the American mainland? Absolutely none!! Hence North Korea has no value as a bargaining chip for China at all.

For China to let a nuclear-armed North Korea exist across its border is akin to rearing a tiger to its own detriment (yang hu wei huan 养虎为患 as a Chinese saying goes). Using another analogy, it is just like a swordsman adopting his enemy's son and imparting all his fighting skills to him. So far China has gained nothing but a lot to lose from its Frankenstein's creation. I just mention one of the geopolitical fallouts from China's tolerance or impotence towards North Korea's nuclear programme. Some countries have begun to view China as a "paper tiger", allowing North Korea to lead it by the nose, or worst of all, by the leash as narrated in Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (5)

Recent events around China have shown the following countries have been emboldened by North Korea's defiance against its foolish benefactor and they have begun to emulate North Korea in their dealings with China.

(a) Modi's China diplomacy signals a great change in India's attitude towards that nation -- from a defensive posture maintained over several decades to that of equal, controlled aggression. Currently, there is a standoff between Chinese and Indian troops at their borders. Indian troops still remain in the "Chinese side" of the border despite China's demand for immediate withdrawal.

(b) Vietnam has begun drilling for oil in an area of the resource-rich South China Sea also claimed by China.

(c) Anti-China sentiment and centuries-old hostilities took centre stage in the recent Mongolian election campaigns.



How Modi plans to deal with China - Rediff.com India News

India told to withdraw troops immediately - China - Chinadaily.com.cn


Vietnam drills for oil in South China Sea - BBC News

Anti-China sentiment and centuries-old hostilities take centre stage in Mongolian election campaign | South China Morning Post


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Kim Jong-Un reportedly called North Korea a "military power of the East that cannot be touched by even the strongest enemy". The significance of his remark should not be lost on China. If North Korea cannot be subdued by the "strongest enemy", supposedly to be America; neither can China.

Kim's bragging of his country's invincibility is reminiscent of a cunning fox in a Chinese fable escaping death by tricking a stupid tiger into believing that it (the fox) was the king of the jungle. No wonder nowadays he seems to display a more forceful personality in his gait, living in a world of fantasy and self-delusion that he himself is the "Emperor of the East". However, before North Korea's self-destruction like the frog that inflated itself bragging it could be as big as an ox in Aesop's fable, more countries have begun to view China as a "paper tiger". Emboldened by China's impotence or reluctance to rein in its errant ally, they have become more assertive about their sovereignty. Two more such countries can be added to the list in my previous post.

According to Asserting sovereignty, Indonesia renames part of South China Sea | Top News | Reuters

(d) (Begin excerpts)
Indonesia renamed the northern reaches of its exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea on Friday, the latest act of resistance by Southeast Asian nations to China's territorial ambitions in the maritime region.

Seen by analysts as an assertion of Indonesian sovereignty, part of the renamed sea is claimed by China under its contentious maritime boundary, known as the 'nine-dash line', that encompasses most of the resource-rich sea.....

Indonesia insists it's a non-claimant state in the South China Sea dispute but has clashed with China over fishing rights around the Natuna Islands, detaining Chinese fishermen and expanding its military presence in the area over the past 18 months.... (End excerpts)

(e) (Begin excerpts)
...the director of the Philippines Energy Resource Development Bureau, Ismael Ocampo, said on Wednesday that the country could lift a suspension on oil and gas drilling on the Reed Bank by December. The underwater mountain, lying 85 nautical miles off the Philippines coast, is also claimed by China.

... the Philippines lately has become more assertive about its sovereignty.

More than two dozen oil, gas and coal blocks, including additional areas in disputed waters, may be offered during the December bidding, Ocampo said on Wednesday. (End excerpts)

It won't be surprising that more and more countries will view China as a "paper tiger" if it continues to turn a blind eye to North Korea's sabre-rattling and "barking" of invincibility.

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The Frog and The Ox - Fables of Aesop

Indonesian navy fires on Chinese fishing boat in disputed waters - BBC News

Indonesia detains Chinese fishing boat and crew for illegal fishing | South China Morning Post

China angry after Indonesia detains fishing boat | Inquirer News

Another Chinese fishing boat detained in Indonesia's waters in South China Sea: Official, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

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China was also an ally of the Khmer Rouge government in Cambodia which made North Korea look like Disneyland in comparison. The Khmer Rouge killed up to 25% of their population in four years, probably the most barbarbous government which ever existed. Khmer Rouge invades Vietnam, and Vietnam defends themselves and invades Cambodia and overthrows the Khmer Rouge. Remember folks, Cambodia started the war, and Vietnam fought back.

So the Chinese invade Vietnam in 1979 to retaliate Vietnam taking over Cambodia, even though Cambodia started the fight and killed two million people. The Vietnamese handed China their balls in a hat, and the Chinese went home, declared victory and decided much like the French and the Americans did that Vietnam is not to be messed with.

The territorial dispute with India is idiotic. The land is a wasteland and absolutely worthless. It is nearly uninhabited, a high elevation desert of rocks, ice, snow and mountains. Vultures would die of starvation. Think the moon with air and snow on the moutains and you know the area of Aksai Chin.

Wouldn't be a very difficult negotiation. The people who drew those boundries were a bunch of drunk Englishmen, and they can be redrawn. Take this disputed territory and cut in half, giving India and China their half. The problem is both sides will scream and whine that all of that worthless ass shitbird terrirtory is theirs, and they will fight to the death for it. Stupid.

I don't know how China gets the idea that the islands in the South China Sea belongs to them. I have actually heard for real that it is because those islands are in the South China Sea, and since the sea has China in the name, well there. But like I said above in my first paragaraph, I don't think China wants to mess with Vietnam, because if Vietnam fights you, the only way to defeat them is to nuke their whole country and even then.

North Korea is horrid and I think the United States, UK, European Union, other nations should speak against the atrocities of North Korea in the United Nations. I think it is a travesty that China and Russia are contributing to this evil bastard regime.

China is actually a free country next to North Korea. Let that sink in for a moment. Chinese can travel internationally, travel within their own nation. Chinese can watch international films and tv shows, they can obviously make international phone calls, the people are not hungry and starving to death. The government of China does not require the people to worship it, and people can and do become wealthy. China doesn't take whole families down to the children for one person's actions, even if they are against the government. North Korea is so beyond the pale of human standards and decency, why China why?

I have long advocated for the USA to leave Korea. Let Korea be the problem of Russia and China. They caused it, and they should suffer the reprecussions of it, and it should be for the USA and the UN to totally turn their backs on this, do not aid North Korea and again condemn Russia and China for backing the North Korean government. But again, the Chinese supported the Khmer Rouge.
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Originally Posted by senor boogie woogie View Post
I have long advocated for the USA to leave Korea.
Yes, good suggestion!

From what I have observed all these years there is ONE and ONLY ONE peaceful resolution which, I think, is the North Korean regime's real goal:

"The US must withdraw from Asia so as to let the North Korean regime finish its unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to unite and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty using nuclear blackmail.

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Let Korea be the problem of Russia and China.
Well said. After North Korea subdues the South, China's dumb rulers will wake up from their long slumber by North Korean nuclear missiles that fly across the border in the next round of territorial conflicts.
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