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Old September 1st, 2017, 04:56 AM   #1
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Has China ever hoped to teach NKorea the same lessons as India?

1. The following are excerpts from the 30 August 2017 AFP news report headlined "China says it hopes India will 'learn lessons' from standoff" at https://sg.yahoo.com/news/china-says...065248645.html

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China said Wednesday it hopes India will "learn lessons" following the end of a months-long military stand-off in a strategically important disputed area in the Himalayas.

The two nations resolved the deadlock over the Doklam area claimed by both China and Bhutan, an ally of India, just days before Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to attend a BRICS summit in eastern China.

"Of course we hope the Indian side will learn lessons from this incident and prevent similar things from happening again," Foreign Minister Wang Yi told a news briefing on the upcoming BRICS summit, which includes both nations as well as Brazil, Russia and South Africa....

The foreign minister did not say whether Chinese President Xi Jinping and Modi would hold bilateral talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit next week in the port city of Xiamen.

"The first thing is whether the leaders have the willingness to meet," Wang said.

"If there's a willingness from the leaders participating (in BRICS), the Chinese side will try to make it possible if our schedule permits." (End excerpts)

2. Wang Yi's remarks raise some interesting questions. Firstly, will there be more lessons for Modi if the schedule of his Chinese "teacher" permits?

Secondly, why the US can "tame" all its allies including Japan and South Korea but China cannot do so with its North Korean ally?

Thirdly, if China had taught North Korea some lessons immediately after the Korean War, can it keep the rogue state on the leash instead of the other way round? It is interesting to note that China has never openly slammed North Korea for its insubordination and unruliness, not to mention teaching it the same lessons as it has claimed to teach India.
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1. The following are excerpts from the 30 August 2017 AFP news report headlined "China says it hopes India will 'learn lessons' from standoff" at https://sg.yahoo.com/news/china-says...065248645.html

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China said Wednesday it hopes India will "learn lessons" following the end of a months-long military stand-off in a strategically important disputed area in the Himalayas.

The two nations resolved the deadlock over the Doklam area claimed by both China and Bhutan, an ally of India, just days before Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to attend a BRICS summit in eastern China.

"Of course we hope the Indian side will learn lessons from this incident and prevent similar things from happening again," Foreign Minister Wang Yi told a news briefing on the upcoming BRICS summit, which includes both nations as well as Brazil, Russia and South Africa....

The foreign minister did not say whether Chinese President Xi Jinping and Modi would hold bilateral talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit next week in the port city of Xiamen.

"The first thing is whether the leaders have the willingness to meet," Wang said.

"If there's a willingness from the leaders participating (in BRICS), the Chinese side will try to make it possible if our schedule permits." (End excerpts)

2. Wang Yi's remarks raise some interesting questions. Firstly, will there be more lessons for Modi if the schedule of his Chinese "teacher" permits?

Secondly, why the US can "tame" all its allies including Japan and South Korea but China cannot do so with its North Korean ally?

Thirdly, if China had taught North Korea some lessons immediately after the Korean War, can it keep the rogue state on the leash instead of the other way round? It is interesting to note that China has never openly slammed North Korea for its insubordination and unruliness, not to mention teaching it the same lessons as it has claimed to teach India.
Some nations on this planet, among them Russia and China, are happy to see the US getting shit no matter what the source.

NK gives the US shit. China is happy.
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Old September 1st, 2017, 07:28 AM   #3
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China did stop NK coal imports and are on board with the latest round of increased sanctions on NK.

More than I expected.
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China does not want a a failed state to their south with tens of thousands of North Koreans flooding their southern borders. They will only go so far.
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Old September 1st, 2017, 07:36 AM   #5
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Some nations on this planet, among them Russia and China, are happy to see the US getting shit no matter what the source.

NK gives the US shit. China is happy.
Absolutely. If China reigned them in they'd stop, China holds the keys to everything in their sphere of influence.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 01:02 PM   #6
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Absolutely. If China reigned them in they'd stop, China holds the keys to everything in their sphere of influence.
1. It's too late for China to rein in North Korea. If China tries to do so, North Korea can fire a few nuclear missiles at China's densely-populated areas. China can't do anything to avert the catastrophe even if it has the technology to shoot down the missiles as North Korea is situated next to China. Taking an analogy, it is just like facing a gunman a few metres away.

Just like the US tightening its control over Japan immediately after World War II, China could rein in North Korea if it took steps to tighten its control over its so-called ally immediately after the Korean War. In fact, it could do so even in the late 1990s. Unfortunately, the Chinese leader at that time was too dumb and weak to take the opportunity. Instead he resorted to appeasement policy in dealing with his North Korean counterpart, as seen in the article below.

2. The following are excerpts from http://oldsite.nautilus.org/DPRKBrie...PRC_Scobel.pdf

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Tensions reportedly emerged in the late 1990s over either unmet North Korean demands for Chinese aid or Chinese pressure on North Korea to reform. According to one account, in early 1996 Pyongyang asked for a substantial amount of grain and Beijing responded by offering only a tenth of this. Kim Jong Il was reportedly incensed and threatened to “play the Taiwan card” unless China was forthcoming on an even broader set of demands. Beijing regretted that it was unable to meet all these requests but did offer a more comprehensive package. Pyongyang apparently was mollified. According to another account, a team of Chinese agricultural experts, who visited North Korea in the spring of 1997 under the auspices of the UN Development Program, recommended that their hosts adopt Chinese style reforms without delay. Pyongyang responded by calling Deng Xiaoping a traitor to socialism. Beijing took umbrage and threatened to halt its food aid. Pyongyang responded by initiating talks with Taiwan on the subject of opening direct air links between Taipei and Pyongyang. After the Chinese dropped its threat, the North Koreans broke off talks. Significantly, but perhaps unrelatedly, Beijing also permitted Pyongyang to open a consulate in the newly acquired Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong... (End excerpts)

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China did stop NK coal imports and are on board with the latest round of increased sanctions on NK.

More than I expected.
1. Yes, that is what people see on the surface. Appearance can be deceiving. What lies beneath could be bribery, corruption, smuggling, intended or unintended lax control of border trade, lax implementation of sanctions, etc. Perhaps from satellite pictures, US military personnel can see trucks and vehicles moving to and fro daily along the bridges that span the Yalu River. The only effective way for China to implement sanctions against North Korea is not only halting all traffic along the border bridges but also severing diplomatic ties with its so-called ally.

2. The following are excerpts from Kevin Gray's April 06, 2017 article headlined Falling Short: Financial Sanctions and Sino-North Korean Border Trade | Sino-NK

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The impact of these measures has not been, however, to curtail the scope of Sino-North Korea border trade. If anything, the massive growth in that trade over the past decade has coincide precisely with the increased isolation of North Korea from the global financial system. What has happened is that that trade has increasingly been characterised by informal trading practices. This can be seen most clearly in the forms of trade settlement that have been adopted. Typically, the bulk of Sino-North Korean trade is settled in cash, with the remainder conducted via barter. Indeed, trade to the value of hundreds of thousands of dollars can be settled in cash. Interviewed Chinese merchants report, for example, that they would normally receive around 80 percent of payment for their exports in cash with the remaining 20 percent would be paid for with goods from North Korea due to the latter’s shortage of hard currency. These imported goods would typically include mineral resources, seafood, and agricultural products, which are then sold in the domestic Chinese market. As such, a great deal of Sino-North Korean trade goes unreported and often involved the use of informal practices and is sometimes conducted by smuggling networks.

As can be seen, therefore, financial sanctions have not lived up to the hype that they have often received in the academic and policy literature. Rather than serving to undermine North Korea’s external economic relations and put pressure on Pyongyang, financial sanctions have rather driven border trade underground into the realm of the informal economy where it has not just survived but has positively thrived. (End excerpts)

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China does not want a a failed state to their south with tens of thousands of North Koreans flooding their southern borders. They will only go so far.
The scenario of tens of thousands of North Korean refugees flooding the Chinese borders is a small price for China to pay compared with the horrible scenario of a future nuclear war with the rogue state. Besides the unresolved territorial issues, please take note of the numerous border wars between the ancient Korean kingdoms and Chinese dynasties.

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