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Old December 15th, 2011, 08:42 AM   #1
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The problem is you Christians can't worship your faith without lashing out at anyone and everyone.



That's the problem.



citizen abuse



http://www.defendingthetruth.com/topic/21320-christianity-completely-lacking-in-credibility/page__pid__372043__st__20#entry372043





Really??



Read on...............................
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Old December 15th, 2011, 08:45 AM   #2
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KTLA News 4:44 a.m. PST, December 12, 2011





Atheists Derail Traditional Nativity Display in Santa Monica



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A nativity display along Ocean Ave. is much smaller this year. (KTLA-TV)



SANTA MONICA, Calif. (KTLA) -- It has been a Christmas tradition for decades, but this year, the nativity display at Santa Monica's Palisades Park has been scaled way back, thanks to a group of atheists.



In the past, there were 14 life-size displays depicting traditional religious scenes. All together, the nativity took up two blocks along Ocean Avenue.



But this year, the display has been reduced to a miniature version of what it has been like for some 57 years.


The city received a record number of requests for space, so it was forced to use a lottery system.



The traditionalists won two spots, which is enough for three scenes out of the usual 14.



At least 18 spots went to so-called "out-of-towners."



Atheist Raymond McNealy, of Burbank, won nine spots. He said he's outraged that a church organization is demanding exclusive rights on public property, and others echoed his sentiments.



"It's a movement to have equal representation, and to have our voices heard on an equal scale to the nativity scenes that have been in this property for so many years, violating the separation of church and state," atheist Damon Vix told KTLA.



But some are upset that the holiday tradition has been derailed.



"They stole Christmas," one man said.



"We were confined to three booths because, really, a group of out-of-town atheists from out of town manipulated the rules and tried to force us out of the park, and stop this nearly 60-year-old Santa Monica celebration of Christmas," Hunter Jameson, of the Nativity Scene Committee countered.



"Christmas is still in our hearts. Christmas is still here," Jameson added. "We're just praying and working that next year there will be the full 14 booths here as there have been in the past."



The traditionalists are collecting signatures, which they will take to the city, to try to get the 14 booths restored for next year.



For their part, the atheists say they will be challenging that attempt.



They say they may be from out of town, but they do come to Santa Monica to enjoy the park, and they do not believe religious symbols belong on public property.








http://www.ktla.com/...0,1611432.story



Have you ever heard of anything so petty and childish?



These atheists really need to grow up!
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Old December 15th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #3
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creationists have tried using the courts to force their wierd mythology into science classrooms. thats equally petty and childish.



regarding the above, i think a nativity scene in a park is harmless and going to so much trouble to close it down is silly.
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They used the term "won spots". Do you know how these were won?
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They used the term "won spots". Do you know how these were won?


I believe there was some kind of lottery to get access to those positions for a display
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They used the term "won spots". Do you know how these were won?


I believe there was some kind of lottery to get access to those positions for a display


Hmmmm... that seems odd. I know we have bumped heads in the past where you think I want to cancel Christmas BUT... here is my take on the above article:



If they are renting space in the park (not using public $), then why was the distribution not even? Resident tax dollars go to public park funding and imo residents should have first claim at space regardless of their affiliation.



On a side note- Philadelphia school systems are by lottery too and most end up getting the short end of the stick.
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Gary,



They used the term "won spots". Do you know how these were won?


I believe there was some kind of lottery to get access to those positions for a display


Hmmmm... that seems odd. I know we have bumped heads in the past where you think I want to cancel Christmas BUT... here is my take on the above article:



If they are renting space in the park (not using public $), then why was the distribution not even? Resident tax dollars go to public park funding and imo residents should have first claim at space regardless of their affiliation.



On a side note- Philadelphia school systems are by lottery too and most end up getting the short end of the stick.

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I don't think they have to pay for the space but it is allocated by lottery due to the high demand.



Either way I think it is so childish for atheists or anyone to try and thwart the celebration of Christmas, or any other religious festival just because they don't believe in it.



It has nothing to do with the First Amendment, the Barbary Treaty, separation of church and state, Thomas Jefferson or life in Iran.



It is only about small-mindedness, intolerance, mean-spiritedness and behaving like spoiled kids!



Imagine if a bunch of Christians tried to thwart a gay pride parade??
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What is in their 18 spaces?
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What is in their 18 spaces?


Most of them are left empty!
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What is in their 18 spaces?




Here is the only atheist display so far




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