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Old March 8th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #51
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It was reasonable, but one need only look to countries under Sharia law to see Islam's regard for the infidel. Good grief, converting to another religion is a capital crime in some Islamic places.



Understanding some Muslims' saying, "Ah, well...." means really understanding some Muslims. They're tactical devils. The average Christian mind doesn't understand a Muslim mind. I don't believe the average atheist mind understands the minds of some Muslims.


the koran instructs it is ok to deny you are muslim during war in order to decieve your enemy. my estimation is that islam has grown up in places that were close to 100% islam. it doesnt tolerate dissent or being questioned, it has always seen dissent as being something that happens over there, where the infidels are. it is having trouble adjusting to being a minority in a tolerant society where dissent and questioning comes from right next door.



however, this is where christianity was centuries ago, when heresy was punishable by death and everyone and everything needed the churches blessing. christianity adjusted to being one idea among many. change is possible.


Yes, centuries ago, when WMDs didn't exist. There's no reasonable parallel.



That said, our foreign policy with regard to Islam has been putting out fire with gasoline

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i think it is a fair parralled if limited to the phisophical angle. the notion of the religion adjusting from being the keepers of absolute truth to being one possibility among many. certainly the world is a different place today than it was during the rennaisance, there are obvious differences between the christian world of centuries ago to the islamic world today.



and american foreign policy isnt helping anyone.

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Glad we agree on that.



Perhaps from a philosophical POV, some parallels exist. From an operational POV, there is no comparison.
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Another dodge.



If the message was addressed to atheists why was it put up in heavily Muslim and Jewish areas?


For the same reason the Bible tells you that Jesus hung out with sinners and prostitutes.



Those who most need to hear the message are usually found where the message is least tolerated.
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Another dodge.



If the message was addressed to atheists why was it put up in heavily Muslim and Jewish areas?


For the same reason the Bible tells you that Jesus hung out with sinners and prostitutes.



Those who most need to hear the message are usually found where the message is least tolerated.


Which is right here on DTT



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Old March 8th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #54
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That's up to you. But, if "god" set the universe into being, then the answer for what's responsible for rainbows, stars, and tides still is "god."


by that logic every single thing and every single event can be attributed to god and god would be the answer for every single question. thinking like that isnt going to get you very far.



when a child asks "why do rainbows appear?" one could answer "because when the sunlight hits the droplets of water in the air it gets split into the various colours of the spectrum". or one could answer "because of god". i know which answer i would give.



rainbows are a good example of this phenomena of religion invoking god to explain things that could not be explained but that we now understant. the old testament gives an explanation for rainbows, it was gods gift to the earth after noahs flood, part of gods covenant that he would never do it again. so the answer 3000 years ago would have been "because of god". now we know more.
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That's up to you. But, if "god" set the universe into being, then the answer for what's responsible for rainbows, stars, and tides still is "god."


by that logic every single thing and every single event can be attributed to god and god would be the answer for every single question. thinking like that isnt going to get you very far.



when a child asks "why do rainbows appear?" one could answer "because when the sunlight hits the droplets of water in the air it gets split into the various colours of the spectrum". or one could answer "because of god". i know which answer i would give.



rainbows are a good example of this phenomena of religion invoking god to explain things that could not be explained but that we now understant. the old testament gives an explanation for rainbows, it was gods gift to the earth after noahs flood, part of gods covenant that he would never do it again. so the answer 3000 years ago would have been "because of god". now we know more.




You are missing the point.





WHY does a rainbow appear when the sunlight hits the droplets of water in the air it gets split into the various colours of the spectrum?
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That's up to you. But, if "god" set the universe into being, then the answer for what's responsible for rainbows, stars, and tides still is "god."


by that logic every single thing and every single event can be attributed to god and god would be the answer for every single question. thinking like that isnt going to get you very far.



when a child asks "why do rainbows appear?" one could answer "because when the sunlight hits the droplets of water in the air it gets split into the various colours of the spectrum". or one could answer "because of god". i know which answer i would give.



rainbows are a good example of this phenomena of religion invoking god to explain things that could not be explained but that we now understant. the old testament gives an explanation for rainbows, it was gods gift to the earth after noahs flood, part of gods covenant that he would never do it again. so the answer 3000 years ago would have been "because of god". now we know more.


You are being difficult. If the universe had a prime mover, then yeah everything is "because of god."



Of course, science can fill in the physical details, but science can't say why those physical details occur.



Take tides. What causes tides? Gravity. What's gravity ... uh .... well .... we don't know.



"God" made gravity happen. Good as any explanation presently.
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"God" made gravity happen. Good as any explanation presently.


Yep, about as good as the explanation for earthquakes that the gods are bowling......it ends the debate, and there's no point for further investigation.
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"God" made gravity happen. Good as any explanation presently.


true of you accept god as being the sum total of the fundamental forces of the universe. if understood in this way it works as an answer, although i think the term Goddess is preferable.



but this is a strange god. this god is not christ or allah or the god of any major religion.
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