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Old September 2nd, 2017, 06:04 PM   #31
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Hot dragon and I went round and round over the claim made by most atheists that he or she would believe in God, or the Great Spirit, or the Creator, or whatever name one chooses if presented with sufficient evidence.

My position is no such evidence can exist. I discounted every example of proof of God by attributing it to advanced technology. Thus the atheist claim that he or she would accept the reality of God if presented with evidence is a sham. No such evidence exists or can exist.

I challenge any atheist to provide an acceptable example of what would satisfy their demand for evidence of God.
I have said so. Two things. First the minor one. Verifiable miracles. How about a burning bush talks to me without wires running from it.

Fred claiming he saw god when he was on the operating table and Joe saying he was crippled till he gave (your favorite televangelist) a bunch of money, had hands laid on him and he danced away like my mother used to watch on TV every Sunday way back when would not cut it.

But the major one. Any real indication that the outcomes for pious people achieve a better outcome than the scum. This whole concept of prayer working just doesn't happen.

Now, I am talking about the loving father that fucks you if you aren't perfect that the bible talks about here.

But if you are talking about some force or intelligence that was behind the big bang but who doesn't give a shit about me or you, then you are right.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:04 AM   #34
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Evidence for God includes:

Current science shows the universe does not add up. It should not exist.

People have endured extremely painful deaths rather than deny what they knew about God.

Miracles have been requested of God and delivered in front of witnesses.
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Evidence for God includes:

Current science shows the universe does not add up. It should not exist.
Not knowing how or why something exists is not a reason to fill in the gaps with wishful thinking.

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People have endured extremely painful deaths rather than deny what they knew about God.
Many People have endured extremely painful deaths for many causes,some bad some good, doesn’t mean they were right.

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Miracles have been requested of God and delivered in front of witnesses.
and how many billions of miracles have been prayed for, and not delivered?
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Not knowing how or why something exists is not a reason to fill in the gaps with wishful thinking.

Many People have endured extremely painful deaths for many causes,some bad some good, doesn’t mean they were right.


and how many billions of miracles have been prayed for, and not delivered?
As I’ve said, so often I should be banned for repeating myself, evidence, not proof.
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As I’ve said, so often I should be banned for repeating myself, evidence, not proof.
But it's not evidence of the existence of god.
Not knowing why the Universe works is not evidence of a god, it is merely evidence we don't yet have the answer to the question.
People willing to die for their religious beliefs is evidence of the power of belief, it is not evidence that god/gods exists.
As for Miracle's, what is a miracle but an unexplained event which people attach their belief to.
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But it's not evidence of the existence of god.
Not knowing why the Universe works is not evidence of a god, it is merely evidence we don't yet have the answer to the question.
People willing to die for their religious beliefs is evidence of the power of belief, it is not evidence that god/gods exists.
As for Miracle's, what is a miracle but an unexplained event which people attach their belief to.
A foot print is evidence of Bigfoot.

A cake is evidence of a baker.

Testimony is evidence from a witness.
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A foot print is evidence of Bigfoot.

A cake is evidence of a baker.

Testimony is evidence from a witness.
It's all circumstantial.
and footprints get faked.
A cake is evidence of a baker, not God.
And witnesses lie.
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