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Old February 25th, 2018, 05:35 PM   #41
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An interesting point was brought out to me. So all the good believers in christ will go to heaven. To encompass christianity I guess it will be through accepting christ as your savior or through good works, depending on your particular cult. Fine. And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell, or with the more milquetoasty cults just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven.

now, the first complication; muslims. They supposedly worship the same god but they don't pass the christ test. They worship this dude Mohammed. But they do good works in that they pray 37 1/2 times a day and run around various sacred agglomerations of rocks as needed

And Jews do worship supposedly the same god. But there is no Jesus worship going on there at all.

But then there the Hindus and their plethora of gods. From a Christian perspective that should put them even lower than the Jews and Muslims. And the Buddhists that don't really have a god at all but a strong spirituality. And so on.

So where do us atheists rate? We don't worship your god or Jesus, but we don't worship any false gods by your definition either.

Does that put us above, below or equal to all those other heathens?
judaism, islam and christianity study this scripture;Jeremiah 23
23 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

2 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.
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Old February 25th, 2018, 05:45 PM   #42
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An interesting point was brought out to me. So all the good believers in christ will go to heaven. To encompass christianity I guess it will be through accepting christ as your savior or through good works, depending on your particular cult. Fine. And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell, or with the more milquetoasty cults just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven.

now, the first complication; muslims. They supposedly worship the same god but they don't pass the christ test. They worship this dude Mohammed. But they do good works in that they pray 37 1/2 times a day and run around various sacred agglomerations of rocks as needed

And Jews do worship supposedly the same god. But there is no Jesus worship going on there at all.

But then there the Hindus and their plethora of gods. From a Christian perspective that should put them even lower than the Jews and Muslims. And the Buddhists that don't really have a god at all but a strong spirituality. And so on.

So where do us atheists rate? We don't worship your god or Jesus, but we don't worship any false gods by your definition either.

Does that put us above, below or equal to all those other heathens?..
I am a Christian and I hope I am going to Heaven, God is a JUST
God, and that is what I fear....So each day I strive to live the will of God.

In the Scripture it tells about the teachers of the Scripture, they need to teach THE SCRIPTURE, and if they don't things will not be good regardless of your religion, MUSLIM, JEW OR CHRISTIAN...

God WILL NOT allow sin in HEAVEN...
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Old February 25th, 2018, 06:01 PM   #43
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An interesting point was brought out to me. So all the good believers in christ will go to heaven. To encompass christianity I guess it will be through accepting christ as your savior or through good works, depending on your particular cult. Fine. And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell, or with the more milquetoasty cults just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven.

now, the first complication; muslims. They supposedly worship the same god but they don't pass the christ test. They worship this dude Mohammed. But they do good works in that they pray 37 1/2 times a day and run around various sacred agglomerations of rocks as needed

And Jews do worship supposedly the same god. But there is no Jesus worship going on there at all.

But then there the Hindus and their plethora of gods. From a Christian perspective that should put them even lower than the Jews and Muslims. And the Buddhists that don't really have a god at all but a strong spirituality. And so on.

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No, not all good believers in Christ will go to heaven - it depends on the exact doctrine of your flavor of Christianity. The Calvinists & some others believe that only a small elect number of believers are destined to go to heaven - no others need apply.

Islam does not worship Muhammed, he was the Prophet, & did not claim to be God.

The various flavors of Judaism don't seem concerned about getting to Heaven, a sensible attitude. If they're not worried about it, I'm not worried about it on their behalf.

& if you sequence the Abrahamic religions temporally, it's Judaism, then what came to be called Christianity, then Islam.
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Old May 22nd, 2018, 08:23 PM   #44
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There's no such thing as atheists.
the f**k there aint. There's millions of us.
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I am a Christian and I hope I am going to Heaven, God is a JUST
God, and that is what I fear....So each day I strive to live the will of God.

In the Scripture it tells about the teachers of the Scripture, they need to teach THE SCRIPTURE, and if they don't things will not be good regardless of your religion, MUSLIM, JEW OR CHRISTIAN...

God WILL NOT allow sin in HEAVEN...
you're welcome to my piece of it.
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Old May 24th, 2018, 02:46 AM   #46
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I am a Christian and I hope I am going to Heaven, God is a JUST
God, and that is what I fear....So each day I strive to live the will of God.

In the Scripture it tells about the teachers of the Scripture, they need to teach THE SCRIPTURE, and if they don't things will not be good regardless of your religion, MUSLIM, JEW OR CHRISTIAN...

God WILL NOT allow sin in HEAVEN...
Just another reason why heaven, if it exists, sounds like a horrible place.

Everything you’ve ever done, every thought you’ve ever had, every emotion you’ve ever felt all go into making you you.

If there is only joy in heaven, if there is no sin in heaven then these aspects of yourself are stripped away before you enter and you will no longer be you.

If you go to heaven and your best friend ends up not being allowed in wouldn’t you feel sad? But there is only joy in heaven. Wild you now feel joy that your friend is not there? Would you be so full of joy that you didn’t care? Or would you just have the memory of this person removed so you wouldn’t even know they weren’t there?

Any of those options would be changing who you are. You would no longer be you.
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Old May 24th, 2018, 08:50 AM   #47
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I am a Christian and I hope I am going to Heaven, God is a JUST
God, and that is what I fear....So each day I strive to live the will of God.

In the Scripture it tells about the teachers of the Scripture, they need to teach THE SCRIPTURE, and if they don't things will not be good regardless of your religion, MUSLIM, JEW OR CHRISTIAN...

God WILL NOT allow sin in HEAVEN...
So if you are saying that muslims and jews, if they are sin free will go to heaven that means that Jesus is irrelevant to salvation.
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