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Old September 2nd, 2017, 05:53 PM   #1
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What is the pecking order?

An interesting point was brought out to me. So all the good believers in christ will go to heaven. To encompass christianity I guess it will be through accepting christ as your savior or through good works, depending on your particular cult. Fine. And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell, or with the more milquetoasty cults just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven.

now, the first complication; muslims. They supposedly worship the same god but they don't pass the christ test. They worship this dude Mohammed. But they do good works in that they pray 37 1/2 times a day and run around various sacred agglomerations of rocks as needed

And Jews do worship supposedly the same god. But there is no Jesus worship going on there at all.

But then there the Hindus and their plethora of gods. From a Christian perspective that should put them even lower than the Jews and Muslims. And the Buddhists that don't really have a god at all but a strong spirituality. And so on.

So where do us atheists rate? We don't worship your god or Jesus, but we don't worship any false gods by your definition either.

Does that put us above, below or equal to all those other heathens?
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An interesting point was brought out to me. So all the good believers in christ will go to heaven. To encompass christianity I guess it will be through accepting christ as your savior or through good works, depending on your particular cult. Fine. And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell, or with the more milquetoasty cults just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven.

now, the first complication; muslims. They supposedly worship the same god but they don't pass the christ test. They worship this dude Mohammed. But they do good works in that they pray 37 1/2 times a day and run around various sacred agglomerations of rocks as needed

And Jews do worship supposedly the same god. But there is no Jesus worship going on there at all.

But then there the Hindus and their plethora of gods. From a Christian perspective that should put them even lower than the Jews and Muslims. And the Buddhists that don't really have a god at all but a strong spirituality. And so on.

So where do us atheists rate? We don't worship your god or Jesus, but we don't worship any false gods by your definition either.

Does that put us above, below or equal to all those other heathens?
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9*Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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And the others are doomed to eternity suffering in hell,
You are basing Hell on a poem "A Devine Comedy" not Biblical Doctrine.

Hell is separation from God, and any part of his Creation (you will remain in loneliness for Eternity, God Gives you a choice to Be with him or you can Choose to be separated from him.

Muslims DO NOT worship the same God... (they have a similar ancestor as Jews Abraham) But they do not worship the same God Allah and Yahweh are not the same God.
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How about the Yazidis?

They worship Satan...
And what's so bad about Satan?
something like half the angels decided to go with him, angels, who looked God in the face, decided to go with Satan, does that tell you something?
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You are basing Hell on a poem "A Devine Comedy" not Biblical Doctrine.

Hell is separation from God, and any part of his Creation (you will remain in loneliness for Eternity, God Gives you a choice to Be with him or you can Choose to be separated from him.

Muslims DO NOT worship the same God... (they have a similar ancestor as Jews Abraham) But they do not worship the same God Allah and Yahweh are not the same God.
Call it what you like, separation, damnation, condemned. It all amounts to the same thing. A punishment (or reward) for what you believe.

It is the most immoral system imaginable. It is the thought police from the novel "1984" times a billion because it involves your fate FOR ETERNITY. It teaches the followers of this religion that you DESERVE to be punished for your thoughts. Your worth is not measured by what you do but by what you think.

Most conservatives rant against "hate crimes" because they think of them as "thought crimes". Yet the religion that most of them adhere to uses "thought crimes" as the ONLY criteria on who gets punished or rewarded.
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Call it what you like, separation, damnation, condemned. It all amounts to the same thing. A punishment (or reward) for what you believe.

It is the most immoral system imaginable. It is the thought police from the novel "1984" times a billion because it involves your fate FOR ETERNITY. It teaches the followers of this religion that you DESERVE to be punished for your thoughts. Your worth is not measured by what you do but by what you think.

Most conservatives rant against "hate crimes" because they think of them as "thought crimes". Yet the religion that most of them adhere to uses "thought crimes" as the ONLY criteria on who gets punished or rewarded.
Again TNV didn't read my post. I covered that with the "just feeling sorry for yourself for not getting into heaven".

And of course he didn't answer.
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There's no such thing as atheists.
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There's no such thing as atheists.
Even when people aren't in a foxhole?
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Everyone is born atheist.
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Everyone is born atheist.
Yeah, and then they start brainwashing the poor little kids at a disgustingly young age.
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Yeah, and then they start brainwashing the poor little kids at a disgustingly young age.
The Bible tells us "The heavens declare the glory of God." A young child doesn't have to be brainwashed to see the glory of God. he just has to look up at the sky. The brainwashing is done by those people who would deny the glory of God that they can readily see.
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