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Old May 12th, 2009, 06:24 PM   #1
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If you believe God created all living plants on earth, why do you support the governments prohibition of this naturally occurring flower?



How do you justify this contradiction?
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did you mean “contrition” or “contradiction”?



considering “contrition” specifically means “sorrow for sin arising from fear of damnation”; if so, this would suggest that prohibition itself is an act of repentance out of sorrow for sin arising from fear of damnation.



Aside from being in direct contravention of any separation of state and church issues it smacks of rendering the issue specifically a Christian concern (as opposed to a Judeo-Christian concern).



Rev. Dale A. Robbins has provided seven reasons why Christians should not take drugs:



1. Drugs have a Proven Connection with Sorcery and Witchcraft

2. Drugs have an Obvious Affiliation with the Desires of Satan

3. Drug use will Cause Others to Stumble

4. Christians are no Longer Their Own

5. We're not to be Infected by Mind Bending Stimulants

6. We are Warned not to Defile God's Temple

7. Addictions Are Not Pleasing To God



Of these, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 all amount to the same thing: "Drugs are harmful and Christians have a special responsibility, so don't do them." 1, 4, 5, 6 and 7 supposedly touches on the spiritual aspects of drugs.



With the exception of #3 IMO none can actually be substantiated unless the scripture referred to is either taken out of context or read into.



Personally I find this typical yet troubling because in spite of all the Biblical gleanings and the teachings of Christ Jesus to the contrary, parallels depicting the trials and tribulations of both the Jew and the Christian who failed to uphold their end of the Covenant are routinely demonstrated by both the Jew and the Christian of today. Like their counterparts (who preceded them) they’ve taken their cues not from the core teachings/covenant of Christ Jesus and/or God but rather from the incidental occurrences surrounding the trials and tribulations surrounding egocentric interpretations thereof in relation to current events.



As to your initial query, God did more than just created all living plants on earth. This is just one aspect of the covenant(s) between God and Man as portrayed in the Bible. This covenant in effect obliges Man(kind) to be the caretakers of this planet and all that is on it.



Prohibition, IMO, is merely one of many overt demonstrations of just how far removed Man(kind) actually is from abiding by (specific) Biblical convention.
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hevusa,

hi,



did you mean “contrition” or “contradiction”?



considering “contrition” specifically means “sorrow for sin arising from fear of damnation”; if so, this would suggest that prohibition itself is an act of repentance out of sorrow for sin arising from fear of damnation.



Aside from being in direct contravention of any separation of state and church issues it smacks of rendering the issue specifically a Christian concern (as opposed to a Judeo-Christian concern).



Rev. Dale A. Robbins has provided seven reasons why Christians should not take drugs:



1. Drugs have a Proven Connection with Sorcery and Witchcraft

2. Drugs have an Obvious Affiliation with the Desires of Satan

3. Drug use will Cause Others to Stumble

4. Christians are no Longer Their Own

5. We're not to be Infected by Mind Bending Stimulants

6. We are Warned not to Defile God's Temple

7. Addictions Are Not Pleasing To God



Of these, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 all amount to the same thing: "Drugs are harmful and Christians have a special responsibility, so don't do them." 1, 4, 5, 6 and 7 supposedly touches on the spiritual aspects of drugs.



With the exception of #3 IMO none can actually be substantiated unless the scripture referred to is either taken out of context or read into.



Personally I find this typical yet troubling because in spite of all the Biblical gleanings and the teachings of Christ Jesus to the contrary, parallels depicting the trials and tribulations of both the Jew and the Christian who failed to uphold their end of the Covenant are routinely demonstrated by both the Jew and the Christian of today. Like their counterparts (who preceded them) they’ve taken their cues not from the core teachings/covenant of Christ Jesus and/or God but rather from the incidental occurrences surrounding the trials and tribulations surrounding egocentric interpretations thereof in relation to current events.



As to your initial query, God did more than just created all living plants on earth. This is just one aspect of the covenant(s) between God and Man as portrayed in the Bible. This covenant in effect obliges Man(kind) to be the caretakers of this planet and all that is on it.



Prohibition, IMO, is merely one of many overt demonstrations of just how far removed Man(kind) actually is from abiding by (specific) Biblical convention.




I did mean contradiction, thank you (I corrected it now). Ironically contrition works nearly as well.



I find it mind blowing that someone can believe that God created everything on earth yet be in favor of prohibiting these items from use. That is a clear contradiction within their "worldview".



Rev. Dale A. Robbins is full of shit btw.
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Isn't that where Satan comes in. He's responsible for the "bad" stuff right?

One of the first hits on a MJ and Satan google.

Marijuana and Christians



LOL.
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Isn't that where Satan comes in. He's responsible for the "bad" stuff right?

One of the first hits on a MJ and Satan google.

Marijuana and Christians



LOL.




According to Christians Satan did not create the plants living on Earth. Correct?
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According to Christians Satan did not create the plants living on Earth. Correct?
I assume so. But not all plants are harmless to humans. So there's plenty of room for interpretation.

Poisonous Plants and Plant Parts
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I assume so. But not all plants are harmless to humans. So there's plenty of room for interpretation.

Poisonous Plants and Plant Parts




But surely Christians wouldn't judge and let everyone decide for themselves.
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I refer you to my first link. Obviously some of them beg to differ.



Honestly this on one of your less robust arguments.



I mean "God created it so it must be good" kinda falls on its face on the several fronts.



Birth defects, natural disasters, mental illness, etc. Plants is but one of the problems with that theory.
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Gee Hev, I can't believe you are using Christianity to justify smoking weed. I thought you rejected all religion - or - is religion OK when it serves your purpose.
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Gee Hev, I can't believe you are using Christianity to justify smoking weed. I thought you rejected all religion - or - is religion OK when it serves your purpose.




I don't feel the need to justify it. I just want it legalized.

So I'm trying to understand the religious mind in regards to what they think is God's work.



To think God made something that interacts with human mind, like marijuana does, and to then prevent your fellow man from legally using it is quite a contradiction.
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I don't feel the need to justify it. I just want it legalized.

So I'm trying to understand the religious mind in regards to what they think is God's work.
No matter, I thought I would give you shit anyway
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Honestly this on one of your less robust arguments.




Day 3: separation of land from the oceans; spreading of plants and grass and trees across the land.





If one believes God created marijuana on day 3 why would they allow their government to prohibit it?
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Day 3: separation of land from the oceans; spreading of plants and grass and trees across the land.





If one believes God created marijuana on day 3 why would they allow their government to prohibit it?
Your thinking in 2 dimensions again
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God created marijuana on day 3... why let our government prohibit it?

If one believes God created marijuana on day 3 why allow your government to prohibit it?
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Please explain...

what am I not understanding? Christians believe that God created this plant on day 3 yet most want to see it remain illegal. Why are they allowing our government to prohibit God's work?



This is the kind of insanity that happens when you lie about God.
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Please explain...

what am I not understanding? Christians believe that God created this plant on day 3 yet most want to see it remain illegal. Why are they allowing our government to prohibit God's work?



This is the kind of insanity that happens when you lie about God.
Many Christians look at the stories of the Bible as metaphor and not literal facts. As such, there are fewer and fewer people who believe the earth was created in 6 days and that all species of plants and animals that would ever exist were created in the same time span.



You're being a bit small-minded by saying "Christians believe....."
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If one believes God created marijuana on day 3 why allow your government to prohibit it?
Why did you create a new thread on the same subject?
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Many Christians look at the stories of the Bible as metaphor and not literal facts. As such, there are fewer and fewer people who believe the earth was created in 6 days and that all species of plants and animals that would ever exist were created in the same time span.



You're being a bit small-minded by saying "Christians believe....."




I'm not sure what your point is. Even progressive Christians who understand the world was not created in 6 days still think the source of all life (including marijuana) is God. And to prohibit God's work doesn't make any sense to me from their perspective.
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Why did you create a new thread on the same subject?


I want the wording of the thread to attract users searching the internet.
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I want the wording of the thread to attract users searching the internet.
That's right, you are a moderator
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