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Old April 4th, 2017, 08:30 AM   #1
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WATCH: Cops Call in SWAT for Veteran Paying Ticket in Pennies

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Manchester, NH — Stories about citizens paying their taxes with pennies aren’t new. But how Billy Spaulding of Manchester paid his parking ticket with pennies might be a first, since he was packing a sidearm.

As The Free Thought Project has stated before, “police need you to break traffic laws” because writing tickets and receiving funds from doing so is a considerable revenue generator for police departments. It’s how police states maintain their control over the citizenry.

Manchester police didn’t take kindly to Spaulding’s form of payment, and according to reports, called in the SWAT team to deal with him. At first, the police told Spaulding he should take his form of payment to the bank to get bills instead of pennies.

“You don’t have a bank account?” one officer asked.

Spaulding responded by saying he didn’t. Whether it’s true or not simply doesn’t matter. Spaulding had every right to pay his extortion fees in pennie. According to U.S. Law Code 31.5103, “United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.”

Spaulding had a friend record the scene. Although the recording does not start and stop at the beginning and the end of the encounter, it does show police intercepting Spaulding, asking him to find some other form of payment, and then telling his friend he has to stop recording because he didn’t announce he was going to do so.



Refusing to allow the two citizens to record themselves paying a parking fee, is considered a violation of one’s First Amendment rights, so long as it does not interfere with the official duties of the officers. Spaulding may have recourse to file a lawsuit for both issues; refusing to receive his form of payment which resulted in his occurring additional expenditures, and his friend being forced to stop recording.


Recently, an activist by the name of Phillip Turner won a judgment in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals who ruled he does (and so does every citizen) have a right to film police.

Entering a court house or a police station while being armed is also not illegal in New Hampshire. Spaulding knew that as well, but he reportedly had to take his grievance to the Sheriff’s department before he was allowed to go back to the court house and pay his parking ticket in pennies.

Spaulding may have, however, missed an opportunity to have his ticket nullified. Upon having presented his form of payment, and having witnessed his payment refused, he could have asked a judge to dismiss his $75 ticket. The judge would likely have done so, being fully aware that the Coinage Act of 1965 allows all forms of U.S. currency to be used for payment.

After leaving the sheriff’s office, Spaulding once again presented his $75 worth of pennies as payment for his ticket at the county courthouse. The clerk, having been notified by the sheriff to receive the former Marine’s payment, didn’t seem all too pleased to be doing so. Nonetheless, Spaulding passed through the glass window separating the two individuals, a grand total of 7,500 pennies and a $5 bill just in case he or the clerk miscounted.


Read more at WATCH: Cops Call in SWAT for Veteran Paying Ticket in Pennies


Read more at WATCH: Cops Call in SWAT for Veteran Paying Ticket in Pennies


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Old April 4th, 2017, 09:05 AM   #2
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I love shit like this.

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I wasn't the pennies (they are legal tender].
you think the side arm might have had some thing to do with it ?
love the way you played that down.













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Nearly 40 years ago the shop I worked for had a couple cars in the local car show. Customers car we had restored. As I was watching our cars an argument erupted in the next booth. It seems the show was under attended and the promoter was demanding an additional $25 from each vendor. THe first guy he hit up sold, quite literally .25 cent and .50 cent pins and buttons. So he handed the promoter $25 in nickels dimes and quarters. The man refused and demanded a check.

The police officer working the detail walked over as the voices were getting loud. He took the box of change and asked the promoter if he was refusing the payment ? The promoter said yes, give me a check. The cop handed the cash back to vendor and explained to the promoter that he had had been offered the legal tender of the United States and that refusal to accept it meant cancelation of the debt !!! I have always remembered that lesson.

The rest of the vendors just told him to get fucked. That was the last of those shows for years.
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Nearly 40 years ago the shop I worked for had a couple cars in the local car show. Customers car we had restored. As I was watching our cars an argument erupted in the next booth. It seems the show was under attended and the promoter was demanding an additional $25 from each vendor. THe first guy he hit up sold, quite literally .25 cent and .50 cent pins and buttons. So he handed the promoter $25 in nickels dimes and quarters. The man refused and demanded a check.

The police officer working the detail walked over as the voices were getting loud. He took the box of change and asked the promoter if he was refusing the payment ? The promoter said yes, give me a check. The cop handed the cash back to vendor and explained to the promoter that he had had been offered the legal tender of the United States and that refusal to accept it meant cancelation of the debt !!! I have always remembered that lesson.

The rest of the vendors just told him to get fucked. That was the last of those shows for years.
That's not the case in Canada. We have a law that no one has to accept more than $X in coinage. I can't remember what X is but it isn't as high as $25 I remember.

Now about once every five years or so some idiot, pissed off with the city will pay his taxes with a wheelbarrow full of pennies and they accept it without raising a fuss. Odds are the PR department has told them that the guy is doing that for the publicity and by refusing it it would just give the news more fodder.

Come to think of it, that is a thing of the past. we quit using pennies a few years ago. Nickles next I guess.
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i dont see that this guy actually achieved anything.
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i dont see that this guy actually achieved anything.
He accomplished bringing Sabcat joy. Because Sabcat loves shit like that
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I love shit like this.

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$75 is exorberant for a parking ticket. The courts have ruled that you can't take a sack full of pennies in to pay a fine or tax. If the guy further protested by dumping his sack of pennies on the street or sidewalk he would have been arrested as a public nuisance.

edit: book him Dano

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Doing a little more research it seems the key words are debts and taxes. Buying a bottle of water at the gas station is not a debt, but temporary transaction, The gas station can refuse to accept your $100 bill. Businesses can set policy on what they will accept.

How ever, go to a restaurant, sit down, order food and eat it. You now OWE an debt. The restaurant will have a hard time refusing payment.

So basically any product or service you pay in advance, ie a plane ticket, or at the time you receive the product or service, the afore mentioned bottle of water the company is not required to even take cash.

Any product or service paid for after the fact, taxi rides, meals at restaurants, and things like taxes and parking tickets they are supposed to take any legal currency.
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