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Old April 30th, 2017, 08:17 AM   #11
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Your questions are a bit vague. What exactly do you mean?

Look up "pill mills"

That is the most common way for normal people to get tossed into junk addiction. When the clinic is "closed" or their scrips get canceled many look to "the streets" to fill the new "need". Add that to the dope that is flowing into the states from the Middle East and the cutting procedures w/ fentanyl and you have a self created epidemic. Now w/ the emergence of carfentanil it has become even more dangerous.

I'm not sure if that was what you were looking for.
I was making a connection in a vague way to see if you picked up on it.

Here are Obamacare advocate's sequence of events:

We need Obamacare because it will save lives. Too many people are dying for lack of insurance.

Obamacare is rammed through Congress with no input by Republicans, which left half the country unrepresented in a county with a representative form of government. Obamacare penalties were declared a tax, which is taxation without representation. I think we fought a war over that, but I digress.

Obamacare gets into full swing by 2012. Medicaid expansion runs amok. Millions and millions now have coverage. Now the death rate will drop like a rock. Kumbaya.

Opiate overdoses have risen dramatically and so has the mortality rate between ages 16-64.

Here is a chart from CDC data. Note the start date of the increase in mortality rates, which was supposed to be the start date of the decline in mortality rates. This includes the opiate overdose epidemic.

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Old April 30th, 2017, 08:32 AM   #12
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I was making a connection in a vague way to see if you picked up on it.

Here are Obamacare advocate's sequence of events:

We need Obamacare because it will save lives. Too many people are dying for lack of insurance.

Obamacare is rammed through Congress with no input by Republicans, which left half the country unrepresented in a county with a representative form of government. Obamacare penalties were declared a tax, which is taxation without representation. I think we fought a war over that, but I digress.

Obamacare gets into full swing by 2012. Medicaid expansion runs amok. Millions and millions now have coverage. Now the death rate will drop like a rock. Kumbaya.

Opiate overdoses have risen dramatically and so has the mortality rate between ages 16-64.

Here is a chart from CDC data. Note the start date of the increase in mortality rates, which was supposed to be the start date of the decline in mortality rates. This includes the opiate overdose epidemic.

America used to be called the Prozac Nation because almost everyone were doing them to combat depression. I told Dad that I am feeling depressed and he sent me some Prozac to try. You are supposed to take Prozac every day for thirty days for the effect. I took Prozac for three days which made me feel agitated and flushed the rest of the pills down the toilet. To Hell with Prozac!
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I would like to meet you someday too but my fighting days are long gone and we will get along well unless you take a swing at me, just kidding because I will duck and dodge without punching back. Do you travel much these days? If you do and your travels take you to Central Ohio we will meet and I will take you to my party pad in the woods. I like the head you have on your shoulders.
It could happen. My wife and I just took a jaunt to Las Vegas. Freaked out my Ukrainian lady. Fantasyland. Stayed at the Excalibur. ROTFLMAO.



Anyway, my daughter lives in West VA and if I can get my health straightened out I may visit her this summer. The invitation is open to you if you ever decide to visit Colorado.

Back to Sab's OP, this opiate epidemic is without peer. And why the hell does it go on and on? It's magnitudes worse than anything going on in the 60s or 70s.

Of course, take a look at the world and it's no wonder people want to escape from or be numbed to it.
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It could happen. My wife and I just took a jaunt to Las Vegas. Freaked out my Ukrainian lady. Fantasyland. Stayed at the Excalibur. ROTFLMAO.



Anyway, my daughter lives in West VA and if I can get my health straightened out I may visit her this summer. The invitation is open to you if you ever decide to visit Colorado.

Back to Sab's OP, this opiate epidemic is without peer. And why the hell does it go on and on? It's magnitudes worse than anything going on in the 60s or 70s.

Of course, take a look at the world and it's no wonder people want to escape from or be numbed to it.
How about we go to Nashville, Tennessee this coming August? I have never seen a total eclipse and the path of maximum totality is only 20 miles above Nashville and lasts for three minutes. Hollywood said that would be cool to see and he lives in Memphis. The hotels and motels are sold out on that date so we will have to bring our own sleeping bags. I know how to make a pin hole camera to watch the partiality safely and during totality you can look at it with your eyes. Bring a telescope with you to use during the totality to see flares and prominences.

I took Reno for $400 in 1977 which adjusted for inflation would be $2000 today. Single deck black jack was in Reno and I developed my own card counting system and doubling up. The last Casino I went to is the Hollywood Casino in Columbus, Ohio where the old GM (Fisher Body) auto plant used to be.

I took them for $200 in 2012 but they changed the dealer and then I started losing but walked out $80 the richer and never went back. I play cards to win money and not for entertainment.

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I'd like to meet you someday TS.

A next-door neighbor has given Oxy after a knee replacement. He took it for three days, and then stopped on the fourth because he said he felt a deep desire for the drug, had woken that morning with taking it the first thing on his mind.

I've never taken any of these new generation opioids, and always stayed away from heroin.
That's interesting. I was on oxy for about 6 weeks but by 2 weeks I was off a schedule and only tool one when my wound started hurting. Towards the end I was down to two a day anyway and so just stopped. And never felt a pang of desire.

I guess people all react differently.
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The really big thing up here among street users is fentanyl. It has exploded the fatal OD rates.

Apparently dealers are surreptitiously mixing it in with their coke and meth to get the customers more dependent and the trade-off of the numbers killed vs. the numbers who become heavily addicted still increases profits.
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That's interesting. I was on oxy for about 6 weeks but by 2 weeks I was off a schedule and only tool one when my wound started hurting. Towards the end I was down to two a day anyway and so just stopped. And never felt a pang of desire.

I guess people all react differently.
The only drug that got me immediately addicted was crack or cocaine base. Crack almost took every thing I had but stopped before I had nothing, cold turkey. Today when I smell the odor of burning metal makes me ache for crack but never did it again.
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I'd like to meet you someday TS.

A next-door neighbor has given Oxy after a knee replacement. He took it for three days, and then stopped on the fourth because he said he felt a deep desire for the drug, had woken that morning with taking it the first thing on his mind.

I've never taken any of these new generation opioids, and always stayed away from heroin.
When oxy was first released the "healthcare providers" saw it as the second coming. It was being touted as a magical, non addictive painkiller. I wonder where the got that impression.
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I was making a connection in a vague way to see if you picked up on it.

Here are Obamacare advocate's sequence of events:

We need Obamacare because it will save lives. Too many people are dying for lack of insurance.

Obamacare is rammed through Congress with no input by Republicans, which left half the country unrepresented in a county with a representative form of government. Obamacare penalties were declared a tax, which is taxation without representation. I think we fought a war over that, but I digress.

Obamacare gets into full swing by 2012. Medicaid expansion runs amok. Millions and millions now have coverage. Now the death rate will drop like a rock. Kumbaya.

Opiate overdoses have risen dramatically and so has the mortality rate between ages 16-64.

Here is a chart from CDC data. Note the start date of the increase in mortality rates, which was supposed to be the start date of the decline in mortality rates. This includes the opiate overdose epidemic.


Yeah, I didn't jump down that side but there is an undeniable connection.
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Old April 30th, 2017, 11:09 AM   #20
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The really big thing up here among street users is fentanyl. It has exploded the fatal OD rates.

Apparently dealers are surreptitiously mixing it in with their coke and meth to get the customers more dependent and the trade-off of the numbers killed vs. the numbers who become heavily addicted still increases profits.
What is more likely happening is when distributors get their heroin it is fairly potent. They cut it gradually over time making it weaker and weaker. Once it gets to the point it is really weak they then spray it w/ fentanyl and repeats the process.

Fentanyl is completely synthetic and much cheaper than heroin after all of the costs that are incurred on the product due to the war on drugs. Now carfentanil has come into play and that is much more dangerous.

I have never heard of it beinh added to coke or meth on any sort of scale. That would be counterproductive as the drugs are on the opposite sides of the spectrum.

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