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Old May 3rd, 2017, 06:23 AM   #1
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About 40 percent wall in south California my quess list

Already news from April.

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Mexico won't pay for it. Democrats hate it. Border-state Republicans don't like it. Congressional GOP leaders would rather not undertake it. There could be an avoidable government shutdown over it.

And yet President Trump's budget director is pushing Congress to spend $1.4 billion to start building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The political tension could backfire on the president. Trump's insistence on a wall is increasingly doing what some had warned it would do: It's undermining his relationship with Congress, it's putting Republican leaders in a no-win scenario on whether to fund it, and it's potentially hindering the president's ability to push other issues and policies.

Here's why:

1. It's building a wall between Trump and his party

“Building a wall is the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border.”

That's Rep. Will Hurd (R-Tex.), whose district spans about 40 percent of the entire southern border, in a statement in January.

Hurd still doesn't support it, nor, according to a recent survey of border-state lawmakers by the Wall Street Journal, do any lawmakers in Congress who represent constituents on the border. That includes the Senate's No. 2 Republican, John Cornyn of Texas.

Trump says his wall would “secure, protect and defend” Americans. But right now, he can't even persuade Republican lawmakers whose constituents would ostensibly benefit the most from it.

Pushing wary lawmakers to embrace the wall risks further straining Trump's relationship with his party, both with border lawmakers and with GOP leaders trying to avoid a shutdown. Speaking of …

2. It's threatening a government shutdown

Congress is facing a deadline of midnight Friday to pass a spending bill to keep the government open. Both Democratic and Republican leaders say they are successfully navigating the sinkholes that come with such a spending debate. (Similar political dynamics shut down the government in 2013 and very nearly in 2015.)

Funding Trump's border wall has not been part of that bipartisan plan. It's just too risky a debate to undertake when a government shutdown is on the line: Conservative Republicans are wary of the untold billions the wall would cost, while border-state lawmakers and basically all Democrats oppose it. That's more than enough opposition to kill any spending bill.

But the Trump administration has a different perspective. April 29 marks the president's 100th day in office, and he badly needs a win. He's looking to score one by getting funding for his centerpiece campaign promise. “We want wall funding,” Trump's budget director, Mick Mulvaney, told the Associated Press on Thursday.

3. Democratic Party dislike thus method from Trump's government but they will realize that current leadership want a South border wall and it's about 40 percent in southwest maybe facts already. Crosses Texas is not possibility for Trump's plan of views.

4. President DJT work business.
Perhaps South California border.

Stop illegals crosses the country.


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Old May 3rd, 2017, 07:26 AM   #2
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The wall thingy was a stupid thing to begin with--Trump's declaration that we would build a wall, that it would solve all our problems, and that Mexico would pay for it.

If Trump would have said let's 'shore' up the wall--add to it--fix the dang fence--and gradually increase the budget to PAY for it--no problem. I think we all agree on that.
But because he made an absolutely unbelievable statement?? No dice. We weren't buying it then, we aren't buying it now and Mexico NEVER bought it.
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The wall thingy was a stupid thing to begin with--Trump's declaration that we would build a wall, that it would solve all our problems, and that Mexico would pay for it.

If Trump would have said let's 'shore' up the wall--add to it--fix the dang fence--and gradually increase the budget to PAY for it--no problem. I think we all agree on that.
But because he made an absolutely unbelievable statement?? No dice. We weren't buying it then, we aren't buying it now and Mexico NEVER bought it.
One of my concerns on "the wall" is that the American people will not see the same b.s. double-cross we've seen in the past.

When the Iraq war was started, we were told the war would pay for itself.
This was a bad lie as there was NO intelligence justifying anything remotely resembling this assessment. The CURRENT cost of the Iraq war is over $2 trillion dollars. Some estimates put the overall cost (in the long run) as over $6 trillion.
More fundamentally, the Bush administration masked the cost of the war with deficit spending to ensure that the American people would not face up to its costs while President Bush was in office. Despite their recent discovery of outrage over the national debt, the Republicans followed the advice of Vice-President Dick Cheney that "deficits don't matter" and spent freely on domestic programs throughout the Bush years. The Bush administration encouraged the American people to keep spending and "enjoy life", while the government paid for the occupation of Iraq on a credit card they hoped never to have to repay.
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The Wall has been raised under a similar b.s. claim that somebody else will pay for itself.
And polls demonstrate that Americans do not want to pay for the wall. And those wishes should be honored.
Ergo, it's important that we do not allow an emperor with no clothes to fool people into believing that Mexico will pay for this wall, only to force Americans to pay for it later.
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The Wall has been raised under a similar b.s. claim that somebody else will pay for itself.
And polls demonstrate that Americans do not want to pay for the wall. And those wishes should be honored.
Ergo, it's important that we do not allow an emperor with no clothes to fool people into believing that Mexico will pay for this wall, only to force Americans to pay for it later.
The builds will starts next half of 2017 and it finish in 2019. It's around 7-10 billion Dollar and USA will pay for it!!!!
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Maybe 35 % wall in South California + Arizona borders!
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I think the wall was another one of those sly like a fox Trump moves. If the United States does not see that immigration is about to ruin it then they/we deserve what is coming.
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USA don't needs more illegal immigration to promises with at least DJT.
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South K is slang for South Carolina. South K has weird laws.
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