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Old May 4th, 2017, 08:56 PM   #1
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2017 tesla model s p100d first test: A new record — 0-60 mph in 2.28 seconds!

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We all understand acceleration. It’s the rate of change of velocity. This 4,891-pound Tesla Model S P100D does it best, reaching 30, 40, 50, and 60 mph from a standstill more quickly than any other production vehicle we’ve ever tested, full stop. In our testing, no production car has ever cracked 2.3 seconds from 0 to 60 mph. But Tesla has, in 2.275507139 seconds.

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It starts at only $140k and gets around 100mpg




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Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.

"He definitely goes where there is government money," said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. "That's a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day."



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The figure compiled by The Times comprises a variety of government incentives, including grants, tax breaks, factory construction, discounted loans and environmental credits that Tesla can sell. It also includes tax credits and rebates to buyers of solar panels and electric cars.


The electric automaker Tesla has a side business. It's called environmental credits.
A looming question is whether the companies are moving toward self-sufficiency — as Dolev believes — and whether they can slash development costs before the public largesse ends.

Tesla and SolarCity continue to report net losses after a decade in business, but the stocks of both companies have soared on their potential; Musk's stake in the firms alone is worth about $10 billion. (SpaceX, a private company, does not publicly report financial performance.)

Musk and his companies' investors enjoy most of the financial upside of the government support, while taxpayers shoulder the cost.


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The payoff for the public would come in the form of major pollution reductions, but only if solar panels and electric cars break through as viable mass-market products. For now, both remain niche products for mostly well-heeled customers.

Musk declined repeated requests for an interview through Tesla spokespeople, and officials at all three companies declined to comment.

The subsidies have generally been disclosed in public records and company filings. But the full scope of the public assistance hasn't been tallied because it has been granted over time from different levels of government.

New York state is spending $750 million to build a solar panel factory in Buffalo for SolarCity. The San Mateo, Calif.-based company will lease the plant for $1 a year. It will not pay property taxes for a decade, which would otherwise total an estimated $260 million.

The federal government also provides grants or tax credits to cover 30% of the cost of solar installations. SolarCity reported receiving $497.5 million in direct grants from the Treasury Department.

That figure, however, doesn't capture the full value of the government's support.

Since 2006, SolarCity has installed systems for 217,595 customers, according to a corporate filing. If each paid the current average price for a residential system — about $23,000, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists — the cost to the government would total about $1.5 billion, which would include the Treasury grants paid to SolarCity.

Nevada has agreed to provide Tesla with $1.3 billion in incentives to help build a massive battery factory near Reno.

The Palo Alto company has also collected more than $517 million from competing automakers by selling environmental credits. In a regulatory system pioneered by California and adopted by nine other states, automakers must buy the credits if they fail to sell enough zero-emissions cars to meet mandates. The tally also includes some federal environmental credits.

On a smaller scale, SpaceX, Musk's rocket company, cut a deal for about $20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility there. (Separate from incentives, SpaceX has won more than $5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the U.S. Air Force.)

Subsidies are handed out in all kinds of industries, with U.S. corporations collecting tens of billions of dollars each year, according to Good Jobs First, a nonprofit that tracks government subsidies. And the incentives for solar panels and electric cars are available to all companies that sell them.

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My two cents worth, if I understand the point you're making.

In 1973-74, OPEC weaponized petroleum, and in 1979 used the weapon again. Carter recognized this and made modest steps towards "alternative" energy production. As a symbol, he had solar panels installed on the White House. These panels produced hot water, one of the largest uses of energy in homes, almost 20 percent on average.

I know a homeowner who installed such a system in 1979. He's still using it as there's really nothing but small pumps to wear out. Over the lifetime of this system, it has saved him more than $27K assuming $60.mo. in natural gas fired hot water, considerable more if electricity was used to generate hot water.

These simple systems can be used for hot-water baseboard or in-floor heating, - absolutely the most comfortable means of heating a home - but have made precious few inroads into this application against a backdrop of cheap natural gas. Carter set a modest goal of alternative energy supplying 20 of the US energy consumption by 2000. The actual percentage achieved, minus hydro, was 0.1 percent.

That's mainly because Ronnie would have now of that, removing the panels and making deals with the Saudis that insured cheap petroleum. Ironically, one of the White House solar panels is displayed in Chinese museum. Today, China has 80 percent of the world's thermal solar panel market. Opportunity lost....

Side note: China's government funds solar R&D at 7-8 times the rate our government provides funding. But solar isn't the half of alternative energy production.

Breeder reactors. The average light-water reactor, the kind whose development R&D received big government funding as well as government-backed insurance, only extracts about one percent of the potential energy contained in the fuel.

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Breeder reactors could, in principle, extract almost all of the energy contained in uranium or thorium, decreasing fuel requirements by a factor of 100 compared to widely used once-through light water reactors, which extract less than 1% of the energy in the uranium mined from the earth.[8] The high fuel efficiency of breeder reactors could greatly reduce concerns about fuel supply or energy used in mining. Adherents claim that with seawater uranium extraction, there would be enough fuel for breeder reactors to satisfy our energy needs for 5 billion years at 1983's total energy consumption rate, thus making nuclear energy effectively a renewable energy
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Five billion years of non-polluting energy. And understand, what is waste in a light-water reactor is fuel in a breeder. The volume of waste produced by a breeder is 100 times less. And, the half-lives of the radioactive daughter elements from a breeder are less than 100 years after processing.

But the US has not one breeder reactor.
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It starts at only $140k and gets around 100mpg



Good looking car, similar to the Porsche Panamera.
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My two cents worth, if I understand the point you're making.

In 1973-74, OPEC weaponized petroleum, and in 1979 used the weapon again. Carter recognized this and made modest steps towards "alternative" energy production. As a symbol, he had solar panels installed on the White House. These panels produced hot water, one of the largest uses of energy in homes, almost 20 percent on average.

I know a homeowner who installed such a system in 1979. He's still using it as there's really nothing but small pumps to wear out. Over the lifetime of this system, it has saved him more than $27K assuming $60.mo. in natural gas fired hot water, considerable more if electricity was used to generate hot water.

These simple systems can be used for hot-water baseboard or in-floor heating, - absolutely the most comfortable means of heating a home - but have made precious few inroads into this application against a backdrop of cheap natural gas. Carter set a modest goal of alternative energy supplying 20 of the US energy consumption by 2000. The actual percentage achieved, minus hydro, was 0.1 percent.

That's mainly because Ronnie would have now of that, removing the panels and making deals with the Saudis that insured cheap petroleum. Ironically, one of the White House solar panels is displayed in Chinese museum. Today, China has 80 percent of the world's thermal solar panel market. Opportunity lost....

Side note: China's government funds solar R&D at 7-8 times the rate our government provides funding. But solar isn't the half of alternative energy production.

Breeder reactors. The average light-water reactor, the kind whose development R&D received big government funding as well as government-backed insurance, only extracts about one percent of the potential energy contained in the fuel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor

Five billion years of non-polluting energy. And understand, what is waste in a light-water reactor is fuel in a breeder. The volume of waste produced by a breeder is 100 times less. And, the half-lives of the radioactive daughter elements from a breeder are less than 100 years after processing.

But the US has not one breeder reactor.


No, the point I am making is what do the American citizens gain from pumping billions upon billions of dollars at Elon in turn making him a billionaire?

A bunch of stuff that the average citizen cannot afford.

Sounds like a scam to me.
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Tesla earnings: Revenue hits all-time high but profits are nowhere to be found ? BGR
Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies - LA Times

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No, the point I am making is what do the American citizens gain from pumping billions upon billions of dollars at Elon in turn making him a billionaire?

A bunch of stuff that the average citizen cannot afford.

Sounds like a scam to me.
You don't think Jay Leno would have afforded his Tesla if he hadn't got that $2,500 taxpayer cash kickback?

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