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Old January 6th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #21
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did the success of star trek and star wars save science fiction or kill it?
Except for The Trouble With Tribbles...Star Trek was good sci fi. Star Wars...had a lot of other stuff in it so 5 year olds could enjoy it. How the heck the Sci Fi Channel thinks "Buffy" is science fiction is beyond me...
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Old January 6th, 2014, 07:15 AM   #22
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Except for The Trouble With Tribbles...Star Trek was good sci fi. Star Wars...had a lot of other stuff in it so 5 year olds could enjoy it. How the heck the Sci Fi Channel thinks "Buffy" is science fiction is beyond me...
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The real puzzler there is the WWF coverage. Although I suppose smashing someone over the head with a metal folding chair & the victim is not only OK, he's jumping around throwing punches & roaring - now that's gotta be some kinda SF.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:33 AM   #23
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Nah! If anything needs a movie theatre, it's The Riverworld.
nah, riverworld belongs in print. movie format just doesn't suit it.
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nah, riverworld belongs in print. movie format just doesn't suit it.
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Philip Josť Farmer's Riverworld? It's been done - a SyFy special, I think. See
Riverworld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it was tough going. I think there's too much happening in the books, & too many larger-than-life characters, for it to translate v. well to movie. Plus the producers rewrote the damn thing (2nd time - there was an abortive TV series as well - also rewritten to make the main characters more palatable, I suppose. Or so that little Tommie wouldn't get the heebie-jeebies when the hybrid aired. But Farmer is conveniently dead, so now - if the executors are willing - Hollywood can do whatever, so long as they pony up the cash. Kinda like Dr. Seuss & the horrid Cat in the Hat live-inaction afterbirth, with M. Meyers.)

(Although the progress-by-death trope does show up again in Edge of Tomorrow, & the original manga that inspired the movie. So it's true enough - there really aren't that many new stories on the horizon.)
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Robert Heinlein. He was my favorite SF novel writer. Asimov won in short stories.
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Robert Heinlein. He was my favorite SF novel writer. Asimov won in short stories.
Yah, Old School, but fun to read. He covered a lot of ground, & his stories/novels have made it into TV, movies - Starship Troopers, for sure. Although the lack of budget - I assume - kept them from working up the combat suits as specified in the novel.

Succeeding iterations of the series were better on the suit, but the tactics still looked like WWI trench warfare - v. clumsy. I'm sure that Heinlein would not have approved of the ineptitude, but I believe he was gone - in 1988? - by then.

There's a nice write-up @ Robert A. Heinlein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Robert Heinlein. He was my favorite SF novel writer. Asimov won in short stories.
I prefer Sturgeon and Clarke.
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I've been in bookstores where more than half the shelfspace for science fiction was taken up by titles in the star wars and star trek universes.

a lot of the rest by old classics and almost no room for new titles in original formats.
Clive barkers immajica. One of the best books I have ever read. Last I saw the started splitting it into two books.
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I basically lost interest in what was being called Science Fiction at the time when it became virtually completely dominated by the Fantasy part of Fantasy and Science Fiction. Screw the witches and such.
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I basically lost interest in what was being called Science Fiction at the time when it became virtually completely dominated by the Fantasy part of Fantasy and Science Fiction. Screw the witches and such.
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Yah, the only author I've read to date that handles fantasy in a reasonable way is Elizabeth Moon - Deed of Paksennarion, etc. Excellent work, she's a Marine vet, & covers field craft, trenching, sword work, armor, sanitation, logistics & magic in a convincing way.

Tolkien & crew pretty much take it for granted that you're with them on all the stuff - I can manage it, but it's a big suspension of disbelief.

The grouping of titles is unfortunate - I think it's to make life easier for the big booksellers - just put those two categories together, & hope that people find what they're looking for.
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