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Old April 12th, 2017, 07:37 AM   #41
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Agriculture is a science. Science is one of the main components that identifies a civilization, there are others. Guess how many and what they are.
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Civilizations are identified by and as having advanced sciences, arts, and laws.

Next question, what are all laws composed of?
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Old April 12th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #42
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The answer is, knowledge. Whether first-hand or second-hand, knowledge is the single most indispensable thing to all living humans.
Wouldn't this statement actually mean that the brain is the most indispensable thing to humans? You have to have a brain in order to process knowledge.
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Old April 13th, 2017, 06:23 AM   #43
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Wouldn't this statement actually mean that the brain is the most indispensable thing to humans? You have to have a brain in order to process knowledge.
As established earlier, people have died because they didn't know what they were doing would kill them. A brain is necessary to process knowledge, but if one does not know what's indispensable to further their existence, it's useless.
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As established earlier, people have died because they didn't know what they were doing would kill them. A brain is necessary to process knowledge, but if one does not know what's indispensable to further their existence, it's useless.
But it's the brain that enables one to know anything. No brain and you know nothing.
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But it's the brain that enables one to know anything. No brain and you know nothing.
You can have a brain and not know what is going to kill you.

Knowledge is supreme.
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Old April 13th, 2017, 04:43 PM   #46
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As established earlier, people have died because they didn't know what they were doing would kill them. A brain is necessary to process knowledge, but if one does not know what's indispensable to further their existence, it's useless.
Not useless at all. Knowledge is only ONE of the things people need to further their existence. They also need to breathe, to regulate their body temperature, and to coordinate their muscle movements so as to act upon knowledge that they have. The brain does all that. Instead of countering with something that is more foundational than the brain, you're just repeating points that have already been covered.

Now, one could argue that blood is more foundational than the brain, since without blood flow, the brain doesn't function. In fact, when I first read your opening post, the first thing that came to my mind was blood, since I thought of Leviticus 17:14, which says, "For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life." You can't get more foundational than that in response to "What is the most important thing to every living human being?"
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Not useless at all. Knowledge is only ONE of the things people need to further their existence. They also need to breathe, to regulate their body temperature, and to coordinate their muscle movements so as to act upon knowledge that they have. The brain does all that. Instead of countering with something that is more foundational than the brain, you're just repeating points that have already been covered.

Now, one could argue that blood is more foundational than the brain, since without blood flow, the brain doesn't function. In fact, when I first read your opening post, the first thing that came to my mind was blood, since I thought of Leviticus 17:14, which says, "For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life." You can't get more foundational than that in response to "What is the most important thing to every living human being?"

When you were born, you had a brain and blood and lungs, and if the doctor who delivered you took you outside and set you where no one could see or hear you, you would have died.

It is the second-hand knowledge in the form of an adult which keeps human infants alive, to the point that they turn experience into knowledge about how to take care of themselves. It is because of this knowledge that you know where to get air to breath and water to drink and food to eat so your brain and blood are able to continue functioning so you can exist.

1) Knowledge 2) Sustainability of body 3) Survival

Knowledge, whether it be first-hand or second-hand, precedes all else in importance to your survival.

In the grand scheme of the human condition knowledge is supreme.

And Bookworm where was your response in the other thread about public funds? Are you conceding that you muddled that debate too?
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When you were born, you had a brain and blood and lungs, and if the doctor who delivered you took you outside and set you where no one could see or hear you, you would have died.

It is the second-hand knowledge in the form of an adult which keeps human infants alive, to the point that they turn experience into knowledge about how to take care of themselves. It is because of this knowledge that you know where to get air to breath and water to drink and food to eat so your brain and blood are able to continue functioning so you can exist.

1) Knowledge 2) Sustainability of body 3) Survival

Knowledge, whether it be first-hand or second-hand, precedes all else in importance to your survival.

In the grand scheme of the human condition knowledge is supreme.

And Bookworm where was your response in the other thread about public funds? Are you conceding that you muddled that debate too?
But if the adult care-giver did not have a functioning brain himself, then no amount of knowledge he had previously acquired would be accessible to him. The use of knowledge is dependent upon the functioning of the brain. Knowledge by itself is like information in a book. It's useless if your brain can't comprehend it. So the brain is still of primary importance.

Also, I told you in the other thread how I wasn't muddling the issues. I could tell from your reply that you were blinded by your own wishful thinking, and it didn't make sense to continue trying to explain things to a person who wasn't able or willing to comprehend. I didn't want to write a post that simply lamented your lack of comprehension, since there are way too many pages filled with people saying negative things about each other. I was just going to let it slide.
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But if the adult care-giver did not have a functioning brain himself, then no amount of knowledge he had previously acquired would be accessible to him. The use of knowledge is dependent upon the functioning of the brain. Knowledge by itself is like information in a book. It's useless if your brain can't comprehend it. So the brain is still of primary importance.

Also, I told you in the other thread how I wasn't muddling the issues. I could tell from your reply that you were blinded by your own wishful thinking, and it didn't make sense to continue trying to explain things to a person who wasn't able or willing to comprehend. I didn't want to write a post that simply lamented your lack of comprehension, since there are way too many pages filled with people saying negative things about each other. I was just going to let it slide.
The adult care-giver was given second-hand knowledge too--which got him to the point he could take care of himself--which got to the point he could take care of an infant. Knowledge precedes everything--including the fully functioning brain. Knowledge is what gets us up and running as a mentally and physically sustaining being, and it's knowledge that keeps us there, and it's a lack of knowledge that can remove us at any time.

I think I deserve a reply on the other thread, you were the one who engaged, and I further clarified in my last post. It's pretty lame for you to say you didn't reply because I could/wouldn't comprehend. Just like we're still debating this point here.
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The adult care-giver was given second-hand knowledge too--which got him to the point he could take care of himself--which got to the point he could take care of an infant. Knowledge precedes everything--including the fully functioning brain. Knowledge is what gets us up and running as a mentally and physically sustaining being, and it's knowledge that keeps us there, and it's a lack of knowledge that can remove us at any time.

I think I deserve a reply on the other thread, you were the one who engaged, and I further clarified in my last post. It's pretty lame for you to say you didn't reply because I could/wouldn't comprehend. Just like we're still debating this point here.
It's not the knowledge itself that gets us up and running. It is our ability to store knowledge and then recall knowledge, which only happens with a functioning brain. You haven't countered my book illustration. If a book is written in a foreign language, and you can't read that language, then it doesn't matter at all how much knowledge is in the book. You can't use it unless you can process it, can you? That processing happens in the brain.

Even in this thread, I'm going to eventually give up on you if you just keep repeating yourself over and over again, making claims that you aren't supporting by anything other than repetition. Telling me that you "deserve" a reply, as if I am somehow beholden to you, is the surest way to not ever get a reply.
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