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Old May 8th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #51
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A better question is why any Legislature wastes time on this kind of futile feel-good law.


Because kids are dying, like the bill's namesake.





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There are already plenty of laws available if a bullying victim wants to press charges.


Not in Michigan. As noted in the story, Michigan was one of only 3 states which lacked such laws.





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The first step is simply to get the parents of both the bully and the victim in the Principal's office to agree what steps should be taken.


The kid's parents did complain to the school while their son was still alive, and the abuse didn't stop.





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Libbie lawmakers try to use these situations as an excuse to stifle free speech


Funny that you support the pro-bullying religious exemption that would have prevented the school from stopping the bullying, even if the parents and school took the action you said they should take.


Nope i don't support any exemptions



But I think that my approach of making the parents resolve the problem is far more effective than overbearing legislation from a nanny state.



If the parents of this poor kid had met the parents of the bully his life could have been saved probably



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You put waaay too much confidence in parents. Having met with several and attempted to explain the issue I was shocked to find them take the childs side. Sure sometimes the parents will see reason, but far more often(in my experience) that actually results in the parent encouraging the child in their bullying. Many of the parents of bullies were bullies themselves, and even full grown they still have yet to understand what is wrong with it.



You're also assuming that the parents are even involved with the child. The biggest bully I ever met had a single mother who worked three jobs. In many cases they are bullies as a result of their parents not being involved, and meetings don't solve that.



To be fair I worked in a daycare in a poorer area of town, so there was an obvious lack of education involved, more affluent places may not be as susceptible to this.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #52
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You put waaay too much confidence in parents. Having met with several and attempted to explain the issue I was shocked to find them take the childs side. Sure sometimes the parents will see reason, but far more often(in my experience) that actually results in the parent encouraging the child in their bullying. Many of the parents of bullies were bullies themselves, and even full grown they still have yet to understand what is wrong with it.



You're also assuming that the parents are even involved with the child. The biggest bully I ever met had a single mother who worked three jobs. In many cases they are bullies as a result of their parents not being involved, and meetings don't solve that.



To be fair I worked in a daycare in a poorer area of town, so there was an obvious lack of education involved, more affluent places may not be as susceptible to this.


You put waaay too much confidence in teachers and social workers replacing parents
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You put waaay too much confidence in parents. Having met with several and attempted to explain the issue I was shocked to find them take the childs side. Sure sometimes the parents will see reason, but far more often(in my experience) that actually results in the parent encouraging the child in their bullying. Many of the parents of bullies were bullies themselves, and even full grown they still have yet to understand what is wrong with it.



You're also assuming that the parents are even involved with the child. The biggest bully I ever met had a single mother who worked three jobs. In many cases they are bullies as a result of their parents not being involved, and meetings don't solve that.



To be fair I worked in a daycare in a poorer area of town, so there was an obvious lack of education involved, more affluent places may not be as susceptible to this.


You put waaay too much confidence in teachers and social workers replacing parents


lol, yeah people with some training in psychology and an understanding of how the brain works are definitely less equipped to know what kids need than someone that got knocked up at seventeen and had a baby out of wedlock.



And anyway, I wasn't saying that they should replace parents. I was saying that many parents are immature because they never learned that bullying is wrong, and that they are defensive of their children. "Oh no, Billys an anagel, he would never pee on another kid! That kid must be lying. Why do they keep targeting Billy?" ~This was the third time he'd done it that week...so yeah, sorry, but going directly to the other kids parent is not always effective partially due to that, and partially because, and this is important,



Many bullies are bullies because they lack a supportive family structure.



When a mom works three jobs to keep food in his belly, she doesn't really have the time or enjoy to actually raise her child, and talking to her is completely ineffective. Bullying and fights are more common in poorer areas because of this.
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When a mom works three jobs to keep food in his belly, she doesn't really have the time or enjoy to actually raise her child, and talking to her is completely ineffective. Bullying and fights are more common in poorer areas because of this.


Then why is she having babies?
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