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Old December 6th, 2011, 01:55 PM   #11
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For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

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As for where his parents are, they've put him into counseling, so says numerous internet articles. Do you have children? I can assure you young teenagers are very good at hiding things regardless of how strict their parents are. I've seen many cutters in my high school days and most of the parents weren't even aware. How old are you? Do you not remember hiding things from your parents? Perhaps the video was a reach for help. What does it matter whether or not the kid did this for attention? His message rings out loud and clear.

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I guess we can all make assumptions.



I'm not saying this kid doesn't have problems, only that it is the parent's responsibility to sort out those problems. Posting YT videos is not any kind of answer.



Probably "counselling" isn't much help either.



Yes I am a parent of two grown up children, how about you?
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



I believe this is an artistic interpretation of what he's going through to reach out to others in the same predicament. Why do you think he's enjoying being a victim? This video only recently got attention, and yes he does seem to be basking in the attention because it has had such a positive effect in raising awareness. Why is that wrong? Does that mean everyone who raises awareness of issues enjoys being a victim? If I made an artistic video about being abused by my ex to raise awareness about domestic violence and show that other women and men in the same situation are not alone, would you say I have enjoyed being abused?

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Possibly.



Most people prefer to deal with life's tough times in private and not broadcast it to the whole world, especially 15 year old kids, many of whom have traumatic events on a weekly basis!

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Yes, let's shove all problems in the closet and not encourage artistic ways to raise awareness to make others think about their actions, or show fellow victims that they are not the only one facing this problem. This kid has had over five million hits on youtube. Kudos for such a young person to reach so many people about an ongoing issue that needs to be stopped, and for conquering his problem. Who's laughing now? Certainly not the people who bullied him.
 
Old December 6th, 2011, 02:40 PM   #13
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



As for where his parents are, they've put him into counseling, so says numerous internet articles. Do you have children? I can assure you young teenagers are very good at hiding things regardless of how strict their parents are. I've seen many cutters in my high school days and most of the parents weren't even aware. How old are you? Do you not remember hiding things from your parents? Perhaps the video was a reach for help. What does it matter whether or not the kid did this for attention? His message rings out loud and clear.

[/quote]



I guess we can all make assumptions.



I'm not saying this kid doesn't have problems, only that it is the parent's responsibility to sort out those problems. Posting YT videos is not any kind of answer.



Probably "counselling" isn't much help either.



Yes I am a parent of two grown up children, how about you?

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Grown up children. Perhaps that's why you're so out of touch with what it's like to be a fifteen year old. These are different times.
 
Old December 6th, 2011, 02:47 PM   #14
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323120833' post='371200']

[quote name='RidinHighSpeeds' timestamp='1323120176' post='371198']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



I believe this is an artistic interpretation of what he's going through to reach out to others in the same predicament. Why do you think he's enjoying being a victim? This video only recently got attention, and yes he does seem to be basking in the attention because it has had such a positive effect in raising awareness. Why is that wrong? Does that mean everyone who raises awareness of issues enjoys being a victim? If I made an artistic video about being abused by my ex to raise awareness about domestic violence and show that other women and men in the same situation are not alone, would you say I have enjoyed being abused?

[/quote]



Possibly.



Most people prefer to deal with life's tough times in private and not broadcast it to the whole world, especially 15 year old kids, many of whom have traumatic events on a weekly basis!

[/quote]



Yes, let's shove all problems in the closet and not encourage artistic ways to raise awareness to make others think about their actions, or show fellow victims that they are not the only one facing this problem. This kid has had over five million hits on youtube. Kudos for such a young person to reach so many people about an ongoing issue that needs to be stopped, and for conquering his problem. Who's laughing now? Certainly not the people who bullied him.

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5 million hits suggests I might be right about basking in victimhood!



Has anything happened to stop bullying as a result? And how do you know he has conquered his problem?
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Old December 6th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #15
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323120833' post='371200']

[quote name='RidinHighSpeeds' timestamp='1323120176' post='371198']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



As for where his parents are, they've put him into counseling, so says numerous internet articles. Do you have children? I can assure you young teenagers are very good at hiding things regardless of how strict their parents are. I've seen many cutters in my high school days and most of the parents weren't even aware. How old are you? Do you not remember hiding things from your parents? Perhaps the video was a reach for help. What does it matter whether or not the kid did this for attention? His message rings out loud and clear.

[/quote]



I guess we can all make assumptions.



I'm not saying this kid doesn't have problems, only that it is the parent's responsibility to sort out those problems. Posting YT videos is not any kind of answer.



Probably "counselling" isn't much help either.



Yes I am a parent of two grown up children, how about you?

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Grown up children. Perhaps that's why you're so out of touch with what it's like to be a fifteen year old. These are different times.

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My youngest is 23, what things have changed in the last 7-8 years?? Trust me I have been through it all as a parent.



Bullying has been around forever.



Can I assume you are not a parent?
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Old December 6th, 2011, 03:11 PM   #16
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323208400' post='371285']

[quote name='Krista' timestamp='1323205563' post='371283']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323120833' post='371200']

[quote name='RidinHighSpeeds' timestamp='1323120176' post='371198']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



I believe this is an artistic interpretation of what he's going through to reach out to others in the same predicament. Why do you think he's enjoying being a victim? This video only recently got attention, and yes he does seem to be basking in the attention because it has had such a positive effect in raising awareness. Why is that wrong? Does that mean everyone who raises awareness of issues enjoys being a victim? If I made an artistic video about being abused by my ex to raise awareness about domestic violence and show that other women and men in the same situation are not alone, would you say I have enjoyed being abused?

[/quote]



Possibly.



Most people prefer to deal with life's tough times in private and not broadcast it to the whole world, especially 15 year old kids, many of whom have traumatic events on a weekly basis!

[/quote]



Yes, let's shove all problems in the closet and not encourage artistic ways to raise awareness to make others think about their actions, or show fellow victims that they are not the only one facing this problem. This kid has had over five million hits on youtube. Kudos for such a young person to reach so many people about an ongoing issue that needs to be stopped, and for conquering his problem. Who's laughing now? Certainly not the people who bullied him.

[/quote]



5 million hits suggests I might be right about basking in victimhood!



Has anything happened to stop bullying as a result? And how do you know he has conquered his problem?

[/quote]



I know he's conquered his problem because I've done further research without making snap judgments solely based on his video. The 5 million hits were recent. There is a difference in basking in victim hood and spreading awareness. Read the comments on his video. To many bullied kids, it showed they were not alone and they said they took comfort in that. Others said they were shamed that they had bullied people. Why do you continue arguing with me? Why do you post on this site? What do you expect as a result? You want to share your opinions. So does he. Let it go.
 
Old December 6th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #17
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323208545' post='371286']

[quote name='Krista' timestamp='1323205988' post='371284']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323120833' post='371200']

[quote name='RidinHighSpeeds' timestamp='1323120176' post='371198']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



As for where his parents are, they've put him into counseling, so says numerous internet articles. Do you have children? I can assure you young teenagers are very good at hiding things regardless of how strict their parents are. I've seen many cutters in my high school days and most of the parents weren't even aware. How old are you? Do you not remember hiding things from your parents? Perhaps the video was a reach for help. What does it matter whether or not the kid did this for attention? His message rings out loud and clear.

[/quote]



I guess we can all make assumptions.



I'm not saying this kid doesn't have problems, only that it is the parent's responsibility to sort out those problems. Posting YT videos is not any kind of answer.



Probably "counselling" isn't much help either.



Yes I am a parent of two grown up children, how about you?

[/quote]



Grown up children. Perhaps that's why you're so out of touch with what it's like to be a fifteen year old. These are different times.

[/quote]



My youngest is 23, what things have changed in the last 7-8 years?? Trust me I have been through it all as a parent.



Bullying has been around forever.



Can I assume you are not a parent?

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And I can assume you do not know everything that has happened in your youngest child's life, nor the elder children. I'm not a parent, but I am much closer in age to this person than you are and can remember more vividly what it was like to be bullied at that age. Were you friends with cutters at age 15? Were you friends with gays/lesbians at 15?
 
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[quote name='Krista' timestamp='1323211246' post='371293']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323208545' post='371286']

[quote name='Krista' timestamp='1323205988' post='371284']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323120833' post='371200']

[quote name='RidinHighSpeeds' timestamp='1323120176' post='371198']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1323114819' post='371191']

For sure bullying should not be tolerated but I sense there is a lot more to this kid than is portrayed in this video, where he seems to enjoy wallowing in his own self-imposed misery.



Who wrote the cue cards?



Who chose the music?



Why did he cut himself?



Most important of all where are the parents?


Why exploit yourself like this if it's all untrue? His tears seem to justify much of how he feels.


I'm not sayng he isn't a victim of bullying but making a tear-jerking YT doesn't seem like a natural response.



He seems to be proud of his extreme reactions, like cutting himself or considering suicide.



He seems to enjoy being a victim in a strange way and is desperately looking for attention and somecody to care.



I just think there's a lot more to his story we don't know.



And where are his parents??

[/quote]



As for where his parents are, they've put him into counseling, so says numerous internet articles. Do you have children? I can assure you young teenagers are very good at hiding things regardless of how strict their parents are. I've seen many cutters in my high school days and most of the parents weren't even aware. How old are you? Do you not remember hiding things from your parents? Perhaps the video was a reach for help. What does it matter whether or not the kid did this for attention? His message rings out loud and clear.

[/quote]



I guess we can all make assumptions.



I'm not saying this kid doesn't have problems, only that it is the parent's responsibility to sort out those problems. Posting YT videos is not any kind of answer.



Probably "counselling" isn't much help either.



Yes I am a parent of two grown up children, how about you?

[/quote]



Grown up children. Perhaps that's why you're so out of touch with what it's like to be a fifteen year old. These are different times.

[/quote]



My youngest is 23, what things have changed in the last 7-8 years?? Trust me I have been through it all as a parent.



Bullying has been around forever.



Can I assume you are not a parent?

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And I can assume you do not know everything that has happened in your youngest child's life, nor the elder children. I'm not a parent, but I am much closer in age to this person than you are and can remember more vividly what it was like to be bullied at that age. Were you friends with cutters at age 15? Were you friends with gays/lesbians at 15?

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Whoa slow down!



I guess I was right about you not being a parent.



No I didn't know any cutters but knew some homosexuals.



Neither of us know this kid well enough to understand all the circumstances in his life, his relationship with his parents, his social skills, his ability to cope, his will to stand up for himself.



It's far more complicated than you suggest but I suppose you have a soft spot for kids in his situation.
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I know he's conquered his problem because I've done further research


Care to share your "further research"?


No, actually. I don't care to share anything else with you, because I don't care to argue with you further. Google it yourself and find interviews and articles about him on your own. Have a good evening.
 
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