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Old April 9th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #61
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I was angry and young and living a really crappy life when I was a young teen. But I took that anger and I stood up for people against the bullies, even if I ended up having to fight them. It was a better channel than acting out or bullying others, because of my pain.


Every teenager on the planet thinks they are living a crappy life, and is angry about it.
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I doubt there's actually been an increase in suicides of gay teens or bullying, just better awareness of the problem. The brother of a kid in my class killed himself in the early 70s when he was in his late teens, and I didn't find out until years later that it was likely because he was gay.


I agree. It's just an issue of more awareness. Bullying has been around as long as the human speicies.


That's true. Kids are vicious, self-centered little buggers by nature. Throw them together in large herds, and what do you think is going to happen?



If anything, it's better today.



Back when I was growing up, if you got bullied, you were more likely that not to hear something like, "awww, quit whining, you goddamn pussy."



Nowadays, if there is even suspicion of bullying, they call in the PTA, NSA, YMCA and set up an encounter group sensitivity training session, and hire George Clooney to look all grave and serious in a PSA, about how bullying is a bad, bad thing.



And, of course, the kids ignore all of it, and go right back to tormenting one another.
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[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1332642219' post='391604']

I doubt there's actually been an increase in suicides of gay teens or bullying, just better awareness of the problem. The brother of a kid in my class killed himself in the early 70s when he was in his late teens, and I didn't find out until years later that it was likely because he was gay.


I agree. It's just an issue of more awareness. Bullying has been around as long as the human speicies.


That's true. Kids are vicious, self-centered little buggers by nature. Throw them together in large herds, and what do you think is going to happen?



If anything, it's better today.



Back when I was growing up, if you got bullied, you were more likely that not to hear something like, "awww, quit whining, you goddamn pussy."



Nowadays, if there is even suspicion of bullying, they call in the PTA, NSA, YMCA and set up an encounter group sensitivity training session, and hire George Clooney to look all grave and serious in a PSA, about how bullying is a bad, bad thing.



And, of course, the kids ignore all of it, and go right back to tormenting one another.

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The longevity of bullying among humans demonstrates how each new generation is nurtured into being intolerant and self-absorbed from extremely young ages. I personally don't believe the idea that "kids will be kids." There is nothing natural about being terrible and vicious as an adolescent. Sure puberty might turn children into angry, horny little bastards for an extended period of time, but it doesn't serve as an excuse for being a crappy human being.



I believe the concept of kids being like little sponges, soaking up the behaviors and ideals of people around them. If organizations and celebrities with nothing else to do feel like trying to counteract that misguided notion of "it's natural for kids to be vicious," than good for them. Maybe one day new generations will be taught to be compassionate to each other, instead of the complete opposite.
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[quote name='pensacola_niceman' timestamp='1332688105' post='391640']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1332642219' post='391604']

I doubt there's actually been an increase in suicides of gay teens or bullying, just better awareness of the problem. The brother of a kid in my class killed himself in the early 70s when he was in his late teens, and I didn't find out until years later that it was likely because he was gay.


I agree. It's just an issue of more awareness. Bullying has been around as long as the human speicies.


That's true. Kids are vicious, self-centered little buggers by nature. Throw them together in large herds, and what do you think is going to happen?



If anything, it's better today.



Back when I was growing up, if you got bullied, you were more likely that not to hear something like, "awww, quit whining, you goddamn pussy."



Nowadays, if there is even suspicion of bullying, they call in the PTA, NSA, YMCA and set up an encounter group sensitivity training session, and hire George Clooney to look all grave and serious in a PSA, about how bullying is a bad, bad thing.



And, of course, the kids ignore all of it, and go right back to tormenting one another.

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The longevity of bullying among humans demonstrates how each new generation is nurtured into being intolerant and self-absorbed from extremely young ages. I personally don't believe the idea that "kids will be kids." There is nothing natural about being terrible and vicious as an adolescent. Sure puberty might turn children into angry, horny little bastards for an extended period of time, but it doesn't serve as an excuse for being a crappy human being.



I believe the concept of kids being like little sponges, soaking up the behaviors and ideals of people around them. If organizations and celebrities with nothing else to do feel like trying to counteract that misguided notion of "it's natural for kids to be vicious," than good for them. Maybe one day new generations will be taught to be compassionate to each other, instead of the complete opposite.

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You could be right. In fact, I hope you are. As I indicated, in my generation, we were expected to more or less suck it up.



The problem, however, might be in the way things are done. It's not really natural to throw together large herds of children of relatively the same age in to huge institutions. If you think about it, it's only been in relatively recent history that we did that.



Prior to that, children have always been educated in small groups, or in an extended family/tribe/community situation, or in a classroom in which a full range of ages was represented.



Nowadays, a child's primary interaction for most of the day will be with large groups in roughly his or her own age range. And, I think from that, there arises such things a social cliques, a herd mentality and vicious bullying.



Huge, institutional schools might eventually go the way of the dinosaur.
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[quote name='mytmouse57' timestamp='1333993910' post='394750']

[quote name='pensacola_niceman' timestamp='1332688105' post='391640']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1332642219' post='391604']

I doubt there's actually been an increase in suicides of gay teens or bullying, just better awareness of the problem. The brother of a kid in my class killed himself in the early 70s when he was in his late teens, and I didn't find out until years later that it was likely because he was gay.


I agree. It's just an issue of more awareness. Bullying has been around as long as the human speicies.


That's true. Kids are vicious, self-centered little buggers by nature. Throw them together in large herds, and what do you think is going to happen?



If anything, it's better today.



Back when I was growing up, if you got bullied, you were more likely that not to hear something like, "awww, quit whining, you goddamn pussy."



Nowadays, if there is even suspicion of bullying, they call in the PTA, NSA, YMCA and set up an encounter group sensitivity training session, and hire George Clooney to look all grave and serious in a PSA, about how bullying is a bad, bad thing.



And, of course, the kids ignore all of it, and go right back to tormenting one another.

[/quote]



The longevity of bullying among humans demonstrates how each new generation is nurtured into being intolerant and self-absorbed from extremely young ages. I personally don't believe the idea that "kids will be kids." There is nothing natural about being terrible and vicious as an adolescent. Sure puberty might turn children into angry, horny little bastards for an extended period of time, but it doesn't serve as an excuse for being a crappy human being.



I believe the concept of kids being like little sponges, soaking up the behaviors and ideals of people around them. If organizations and celebrities with nothing else to do feel like trying to counteract that misguided notion of "it's natural for kids to be vicious," than good for them. Maybe one day new generations will be taught to be compassionate to each other, instead of the complete opposite.

[/quote]



You could be right. In fact, I hope you are. As I indicated, in my generation, we were expected to more or less suck it up.



The problem, however, might be in the way things are done. It's not really natural to throw together large herds of children of relatively the same age in to huge institutions. If you think about it, it's only been in relatively recent history that we did that.



Prior to that, children have always been educated in small groups, or in an extended family/tribe/community situation, or in a classroom in which a full range of ages was represented.



Nowadays, a child's primary interaction for most of the day will be with large groups in roughly his or her own age range. And, I think from that, there arises such things a social cliques, a herd mentality and vicious bullying.



Huge, institutional schools might eventually go the way of the dinosaur.

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Given the inevitable and continuous cuts in education budgets I think schools and class sizes are going to get bigger rather than smaller.



I agree bullying is a rite of passage and children have to learn how to deal with it. If it gets too bad then it's the parents of the bully and the bullied who need to get together and resolve the problem.



We don't need to create yet another structure of shrink do-gooders, counsellors, advisors, etc etc to play the role of remote parent
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The problem, however, might be in the way things are done. It's not really natural to throw together large herds of children of relatively the same age in to huge institutions. If you think about it, it's only been in relatively recent history that we did that.



Prior to that, children have always been educated in small groups, or in an extended family/tribe/community situation, or in a classroom in which a full range of ages was represented.



Nowadays, a child's primary interaction for most of the day will be with large groups in roughly his or her own age range. And, I think from that, there arises such things a social cliques, a herd mentality and vicious bullying.


I agree 100% with that.
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