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Old August 13th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #31
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Well, you have armed citizens inside the theater. No matter how many there are. So what will happen. Will metal detectors be put up as people enter the theater entrance? Oh yeah, better put armed guards at each emergency exit, the method that Holmes used to go to his car and load up on his armor and to get his weapons.
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Just food for thought, and don't forget "untimately someone arrived who was armed and hasan was brought down."
We shouldn't forget hot dragon's last paragraph either:

"but if there were that many people carrying around loaded firearms everywhere they went, i would predict there would be a higher firearm death toll overall. accidents, impulsive arguments, well meaning citizens overreacting, there would not be so many people shot by spree killers, but there would probably be more people shot."

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Yes I do. It assumes that people aren't carrying around loaded firearms. They are.



In Aurora, Holmes shot 70 people. If an armed citizen had shot someone, or even killed someone, but stopped Holmes say when he'd shot ten people, would you have a problem with that?

[/quote]Probably not. But let's put 10 armed citizens in the theatre. Shooting starts, and all 10 start looking around for who has a weapon drawn, and they all see each other. You would probably have more than one civilian shot by people other than the original shooter.

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In war, that's called collateral damage. When a guy shoots 70 people in around two minutes, that's war.
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Well, you have armed citizens inside the theater. No matter how many there are. So what will happen. Will metal detectors be put up as people enter the theater entrance? Oh yeah, better put armed guards at each emergency exit, the method that Holmes used to go to his car and load up on his armor and to get his weapons.
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Well, you have armed citizens inside the theater. No matter how many there are. So what will happen. Will metal detectors be put up as people enter the theater entrance? Oh yeah, better put armed guards at each emergency exit, the method that Holmes used to go to his car and load up on his armor and to get his weapons.


All hypotheticals, but this we know: One man, in a city that doesn't permit concealed carry, in a theater, that's posts it's a gun-free zone, shot 70 people in around two minutes. We know that.
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Why do stay silent when runaway criminality is happening all around them in the form of armed raids on raw milk farmers
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I found it interesting that one of the examples of "runaway criminality' that the article mentioned was a raid by the LA County Sheriff's department on a raw milk farm. Does the author really expect that raw milk farmers should be armed to the teeth so that they can fight back against the Sheriff's Department? It seems there is more of an agenda in the article than just keeping people safe from spree shooters.
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I found it interesting that one of the examples of "runaway criminality' that the article mentioned was a raid by the LA County Sheriff's department on a raw milk farm. Does the author really expect that raw milk farmers should be armed to the teeth so that they can fight back against the Sheriff's Department? It seems there is more of an agenda in the article than just keeping people safe from spree shooters.


Do you support armed raids on raw milk farms?
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I found it interesting that one of the examples of "runaway criminality' that the article mentioned was a raid by the LA County Sheriff's department on a raw milk farm. Does the author really expect that raw milk farmers should be armed to the teeth so that they can fight back against the Sheriff's Department? It seems there is more of an agenda in the article than just keeping people safe from spree shooters.


Do you support armed raids on raw milk farms?

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In that county, selling raw milk is illegal. I don't believe it should be illegal. My own wife goes to a farm in our area to buy raw milk. But in that county it is illegal, and the Sheriff's department was visiting the farm to deal with the illegal activity. I do NOT expect the sheriffs to surrender their own weapons before entering a situation in which illegal activities are taking place. Of course the raid is going to be an armed raid. The solution is not for armed farm workers to repel the sheriff's department, but for citizens to work at changing the law which makes selling raw milk illegal.
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Why do stay silent when runaway criminality is happening all around them in the form of armed raids on raw milk farmers



I found it interesting that one of the examples of "runaway criminality' that the article mentioned was a raid by the LA County Sheriff's department on a raw milk farm. Does the author really expect that raw milk farmers should be armed to the teeth so that they can fight back against the Sheriff's Department? It seems there is more of an agenda in the article than just keeping people safe from spree shooters.


Do you support armed raids on raw milk farms?

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In that county, selling raw milk is illegal. I don't believe it should be illegal. My own wife goes to a farm in our area to buy raw milk. But in that county it is illegal, and the Sheriff's department was visiting the farm to deal with the illegal activity. I do NOT expect the sheriffs to surrender their own weapons before entering a situation in which illegal activities are taking place. Of course the raid is going to be an armed raid. The solution is not for armed farm workers to repel the sheriff's department, but for citizens to work at changing the law which makes selling raw milk illegal.

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I don't know about the laws in Los Angeles County, Bookworm. But for years, Alta-Dena dairy sold raw milk, although I never drank that. Now they don't do that anymore for health and safety reasons, I guess. So no one from the law will be visiting there anytime soon.
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Why do stay silent when runaway criminality is happening all around them in the form of armed raids on raw milk farmers



I found it interesting that one of the examples of "runaway criminality' that the article mentioned was a raid by the LA County Sheriff's department on a raw milk farm. Does the author really expect that raw milk farmers should be armed to the teeth so that they can fight back against the Sheriff's Department? It seems there is more of an agenda in the article than just keeping people safe from spree shooters.


Do you support armed raids on raw milk farms?

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In that county, selling raw milk is illegal. I don't believe it should be illegal. My own wife goes to a farm in our area to buy raw milk. But in that county it is illegal, and the Sheriff's department was visiting the farm to deal with the illegal activity. I do NOT expect the sheriffs to surrender their own weapons before entering a situation in which illegal activities are taking place. Of course the raid is going to be an armed raid. The solution is not for armed farm workers to repel the sheriff's department, but for citizens to work at changing the law which makes selling raw milk illegal.

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How did you determine selling raw milk in LA county is illegal? I can't confirm that.



Sheriff's Department, the FDA, the CDC, and the Dept. of Agriculture were involved.



And where did you come up with the idea that armed resistance is being advocated? That's totally your invention. From the article:



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Rawesome Foods, a private buying club offering wholesome, natural raw milk and raw cheese products (among other wholesome foods) is founded by James Stewart, a pioneer in bringing wholesome raw foods directly to consumers through a buying club. James was followed from his private residence by law enforcement, and when he entered his store, the raid was launched.





Law enforcement demanded that all customers (members) of the store vacate the premises, then they demanded to know how much cash James had at the store. When James explained the amount of cash he had at the store -- which is used to purchase product for selling there -- agents demanded to know why he had such an amount of cash and where it came from.



James was handcuffed, was never read his rights and was stuffed into an unmarked car. While agents said they would leave behind a warrant, no one has yet had any opportunity to even see if such a warrant exists or if it is a complete warrant.



Law enforcement then proceeded to destroy the inventory of the story by pouring the milk down the drain and/or confiscating raw cheese and fresh produce for destruction. Video now posted at NaturalNews.TV:



http://www.naturalne...FE1BD9C20E51684



Note to NaturalNews readers: We believe this was an ILLEGAL raid being conducted mob-style by government thugs who respect no law and no rights.






This is an all-out war by the government against people who try to promote healthy raw and living foods.





James is now being held at the Pacific division police department at Centinela and Culver in Los Angeles. He is being held at $123,000 bail with no possibility of using bail bonds. Law enforcement has demanded that if he comes up with the money to cover bail, he must disclose to them all the sources of that money. (This is an illegal demand!)



Massive public protests are needed to teach these criminal law enforcement agencies that they cannot illegally arrest and persecute individuals merely for buying and selling raw milk and cheese.



We are organizing a public protest day in cooperation with James. Please watch NaturalNews for an announcement of that. Story is developing...


http://www.naturalne...l#ixzz23SKSawxs



On topic, "fighting back" doesn't always involve weapons. In fact, it rarely does.
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How did you determine selling raw milk in LA county is illegal? I can't confirm that.
My wife was sitting next to me when I clicked on the link about the raid. She knows more about stuff going on the the raw milk realm than what i do, and she mentioned she heard it was illegal to sell raw milk in LA. I know it is illegal to sell it even here in Minnesota unless it is being bought directly at the farm on which it is produced.



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On topic, "fighting back" doesn't always involve weapons. In fact, it rarely does.
I was going by the whole tenor of the article when I asked whether the author was advocating armed resistance at the farm. Time after time in the article, the author mentioned American's lack of "defense skills" in dealing with criminality. True, the author didn't use the term "defense skills" in the paragraph about the raw milk, so he could have been referring just to protests in that paragraph, but it seems odd to me that he would go back and forth in his train of thought. In the very next paragraph, he again laments that we aren't learning defense skills, which I can only interpret as referring to physical defense.
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Maybe no one had a way of defending themselves, and also I'm pretty sure everyone was deep into shock and engrossed into the chaos of the situation.
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