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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #61
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So would this in fact make most state laws that allow taverns to refuse service to anyone as unconstitutional. So if I was drunk could I now sue due to discrimination against intoxicated people in a bar if I was refused service?
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Here locally we have the Children's Hospital of the Kings Daughters (CHKD) and children can get health care there regardless of the parent's ability to pay.

So no, health insurance DOES NOT equal health care.
I like cake, my favorite is carrot cake if it's made correctly, with good, rich cream cheese frosting....yum...but I'm heavily into s&m. I want this baker to bake a carrot cake with cream cheese frosting and in the icing I want a picture of a woman in black leather and a carrot representing a strap on around her waist. Now you are the baker and have very traditional values. You have a mom and pop shop and the person who is employed by you to specialize in icing is also your 14 year old niece. Can the government come in and tell you that you must make my cake?
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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #63
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So would this in fact make most state laws that allow taverns to refuse service to anyone as unconstitutional. So if I was drunk could I now sue due to discrimination against intoxicated people in a bar if I was refused service?
Apples and oranges. We are talking about someone (the insured or uninsured) picking up the tab. If that guy came into the bar sober and ordered a drink he couldn't pay for, he would not be served that drink.
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Apples and oranges. We are talking about someone (the insured or uninsured) picking up the tab. If that guy came into the bar sober and ordered a drink he couldn't pay for, he would not be served that drink.
OBAMA CARE LEAVES 30,000,000 UNINSURED.. (THAT MEANS THEY HAVE NO INSURANCE).


THAT IS A 0 SUM CHANGE FROM 2008. we were better off under Bush.. we did nto spend 3,000 billion dollars to leave 30,000,000 uninsured.

Obamacare leaves millions uninsured. Here?s who they are.
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This thread is about a Colorado cake maker who refused a gay couples business.
What if the gay couple refused the baker's business. Serious question: Would the court back an "alleged" homophobic baker's right for business?
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What if the gay couple refused the baker's business. Serious question: Would the court back an "alleged" homophobic baker's right for business?
I would hope not, but I think you have a serious misconstrued view of the law.
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I would hope not, but I think you have a serious misconstrued view of the law.
The law? It seems to be becoming less enforceable as time goes by.

No, the question may sound like a non sequitur, but when thought about, it is genuinely a civil rights query and less about the law.
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The law? It seems to be becoming less enforceable as time goes by.

No, the question may sound like a non sequitur, but when thought about, it is genuinely a civil rights query and less about the law.
This has all got way out of control, refusing service? Going to court over cakes?It's a gray area. I see it from both sides. I don't view backing a cake the same as grabbing a burger and beer. This is just my personal view but, forcing someone to bake a cake that they don't want to is a little extreme. When buying a wedding cake you take time, visit bakers, taste different cakes..choose a baker who portrays the the attributes that you desire. You order your cake months in advance, work on the design and flavor profile exc. this is a two way street between you and your baker a labor of love. A contracted work of art. I don't see why any side of the contract would choose to come to an agreement if they held deep seeded animosity towards the other. If you go back and look at my earler post about the carrot cake you will see my analogy. It's extreme but I feel a cake is a different form of service. But I understand both sides of the argument. I also feel that if a bar owner wants to allow Smoking in their establishment that is their choice.
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So would this in fact make most state laws that allow taverns to refuse service to anyone as unconstitutional. So if I was drunk could I now sue due to discrimination against intoxicated people in a bar if I was refused service?
are intoxicated people a protected class legally?
that's what makes the difference.
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I like cake, my favorite is carrot cake if it's made correctly, with good, rich cream cheese frosting....yum...but I'm heavily into s&m. I want this baker to bake a carrot cake with cream cheese frosting and in the icing I want a picture of a woman in black leather and a carrot representing a strap on around her waist. Now you are the baker and have very traditional values. You have a mom and pop shop and the person who is employed by you to specialize in icing is also your 14 year old niece. Can the government come in and tell you that you must make my cake?
you're talking nonsense.
your business doesn't have to sell something that you don't offer.
do you think people sue heating oil delivery companies because they don't carry Victoria's Secret lingerie?

stupid, petty, bullshit

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