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Old June 5th, 2014, 05:28 AM   #1
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love your enemies

one of those commands from Jesus.

when Jesus commended the commandment to us to love our neighbor as ourselves we have recorded for us the question, "who is my neighbor?" and the famous parable of the good samaritan in explanation for who to consider our neighbor.

I ask us to consider: who is an enemy?

I offer a suggested definition: an enemy to us, is someone who has hurt us that we have not forgiven. also, an enemy may be someone we have hurt who has not forgiven us.

I have read that we have no quote of Jesus telling us to "forgive our enemies". hmm, perhaps not in words, but certainly by example. Jesus forgave his roman killers we know. and its clear Jesus forgave Peter, who denied him, and the others of the 12 who ran away and abandoned Jesus to his fate.

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it is obvious from your post, that your perception of yourself is very restrictive to you as if there is nothing ever there but your will to be

that is why, you describe your enemy naturally, being someone that you did hurt or someone that did hurt you .. its existence being from yours .. like if you must exist first as the condition for anything else to be meant existing too

then you are meaning others or your enemy in relative accessory terms .. someone who is not really someone to you so someone who is never somebody like you so no one actually ..

this means that all what you are seeking to say from this thread, is the end that matter being yourself alone right .. this is surely how you understand the bible for you .. as if your god, so jesus, would mean to show you how to use images and shadows of life only to get better yourself in god .. to deal in being with god only

knowing this yourself, I found it a pity how you present things to others here .. why it must be a stranger to your thoughts who would reveal them, when you claim having the will to share your perspective with others ?? how the intention to lie to everyone could be so clear and direct ?? you obviously mean to fool everyone here including me, bien sur

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Old June 5th, 2014, 06:20 AM   #3
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I hate m y enemies and my enemies hate me


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enemy is not the definition of someone that self did fight with
words are objective conceptions not words that relative means or needs invent to say about anything else, in order to stay themselves free out of everything ..
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so "hate" defines who your enemies are?
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you always seek to invent things to say out of something else .. because your conception of what you know is totally wrong

any existing thing being detached from else things existence, doesn't mean that it invent its fact of being .. on the contrary, it means that freedom is the major fact being and that is how a thing is a matter of free reality .. so freedom is the reality as it become then clearly known of its ends constancy and major positive factors while being, freedom

so hate, a negative thing that cant ever be real, cant define even itself being, how would it define something else ??? and what enemies are very negative means, how could you suggest that negative wills, like hate, could create more negative things ??? you clearly always insist to suggest that negative is the source of everything, so what you willingly hate the truth

for any question the answer is always its positive reality

what is the positive reality of enemy being ??? being else .. humans are by definition social beings that have to be and live by accepting others existence like themselves

so a kind of parallel reality exist, out of being consciously, an individual must relate properly with others by constructing some bridges with itself conception of being objectively real

that is how any individual so independent conscious being, sooner or later realize the true existence of friendship but also enemies ..

friendship is the relation with the acceptance of else individuals on the base of being likely the same as a fact real .. so the other stop being oneself intersts and become a real other right being for oneself, because the other as an individual is mainly positive in being itself about the same things .. same ideas or ideals, same knowledge conclusions, same intersts, same pleasures, same reactions .. etc ...
it becomes a friend from the objective observation that another could confirm oneself much more then oneself conscious projections on else .. when the similarity with oneself is true .. this what also allow the truth to become a sense .. how it is true that any is being according to same objective references that don't depend on the being itself individually .. and that is how the sense of life is objectively existing so the being or the individual could consciously mean his freedom out of everything present even itself being
or living

the enemy becomes after that easy to define .. an enemy is the other or the else that its being kills the possibility of being.. as much as the being is totally opposite to be, so being become an impossible thing .. an enemy is the reason that makes the individual feel too much of negative states because it cant be .. and what tortures are the reason of becoming crazy.. out of own self mind while staying that body self and nothing else

how that impossible is also a fact from existence ??? because of gods .. proving among billions of other things how gods are evil always definitely

what do powerful states upon some objective ground reality could care about ??? they surely cant care about the objective factor of constant reality.. and they care less about reality freedom rights, when their freedom is never out of being real.. all what conscious objective states would care about is nothing of that, or positive incomes from it .. so more powers upon in order to possess its positive rights by killing it

that is how we have zombies everywhere that are powerful .. like what you call jesus your god, because of his powers while being a human like you, proves the point

but also how criminals are so powerful ??? what is a criminal ??? it is an individual being that can reach to kill another or torture another being while becoming more positively being himself .. how that is possible ??? logically it is impossible
but because there are freedom out of being reality that force to abuse that reality of being, for positive plus incomes to their existent states, that is how we have very abusive conscious means that act to get what another is positively, while becoming just in front of him superior state .. killing the reality of being .. and others like you, shouting how it is the proof that there is no being and it is all creation .. even though a lot are agonizing and screaming till death ...

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I have read that we have no quote of Jesus telling us to "forgive our enemies". hmm, perhaps not in words, but certainly by example. Jesus forgave his roman killers we know. and its clear Jesus forgave Peter, who denied him, and the others of the 12 who ran away and abandoned Jesus to his fate.
Well, Jesus does seem to place a high value on forgiveness so it is implied in many thing he said.
Now, did he not throw the moneylenders out of the temple?
Did he not call out the Jews as servants of the Devil?
You may love your enemy and forgive your enemy but you should not accept
your enemy's evil or condone it in any way....
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Well, Jesus does seem to place a high value on forgiveness so it is implied in many thing he said.
Now, did he not throw the moneylenders out of the temple?
Did he not call out the Jews as servants of the Devil?
You may love your enemy and forgive your enemy but you should not accept
your enemy's evil or condone it in any way....
well yeah, forgiving does not mean condoning evil.
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Old June 8th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #9
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I have had enemies I did not hate. there was a kid in jr high who pounded my face into a swollen purple spectacular mess. I wasn't happy about it. but I don't think I ever hated him.

I felt bad when he killed himself in Jackson prison some years later.
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you are clearly meaning to work for evil openly .. you know very well, what forgiving is a deal offer to get slaves and servants of evil free wills to evil powers over all existence life
it is just about accepting other evil powers over your head so to not seek the property of what you possess of things and else beings

anyway, you cant mean to forgive but who did wrong .. and when what call himself being a god is what says forgiving, then it is clear how forgiving is exclusively concerning evil nature

then the logic that prove me right hundred percent becomes easy, forgiving is only about saying that evil is ok or what wrong is right .. like everything your god say, how opposites are the same thing, and negative values are superior to positive ones

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