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Old June 29th, 2017, 06:46 AM   #1
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Old June 30th, 2017, 05:03 AM   #2
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Love our neighbors as our selves.
The problem for the American Bible-bashers is that capitalism is incompatible with that maxim. Still, that rabble never read the New Testament anyway!
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The problem for the American Bible-bashers is that capitalism is incompatible with that maxim. Still, that rabble never read the New Testament anyway!

Do you love your brother as yourself?
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Old August 11th, 2017, 02:14 PM   #4
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To be clear, Christ said there are only 2 commandments: 1) to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength; and 2) to love your neighbor as yourself. All other religious mandates are wrapped up in these two. If you do them, you have fulfilled the whole law, that is all that is required.

But... He said "IF" you do this you have fulfilled the law. Not "WHEN" you do this. Christ knew that such a high standard of perfection is not humanly possible, because we are flawed. That is why we fall back on his grace and forgiveness, because if we try to achieve this on our own we will always fall short.
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To be clear, Christ said there are only 2 commandments: 1) to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength; and 2) to love your neighbor as yourself. All other religious mandates are wrapped up in these two. If you do them, you have fulfilled the whole law, that is all that is required.

But... He said "IF" you do this you have fulfilled the law. Not "WHEN" you do this. Christ knew that such a high standard of perfection is not humanly possible, because we are flawed. That is why we fall back on his grace and forgiveness, because if we try to achieve this on our own we will always fall short.
Which is why Christianity is such an awful religion. (To be honest I believe ALL religions are awful)

It teaches us that we are all scum worthy of eternal torment in hell (or at least we are not worthy of the reward of eternal life). That there is NOTHING we can do to make ourselves redeemable in the eyes of a petty, jealous, vengeful deity. Furthermore it teaches that ONLY those that follow the religion get the benefits.

And, finally, it teaches its followers that questioning is wrong. Doubts are to be seen as "sinful". That curiosity is to be frowned upon and that anyone who dares to ask questions is to be shunned.

The bible may say "love your neighbor" but actions, as they say, speak louder than words. And Christians believe that the actions of their god, the condemnation of "others" by their god is acceptable. Which do you think is the lesson most Christians are going to take to heart? The words, "love your neighbor" or the actions of "send them to hell"?
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Which is why Christianity is such an awful religion. (To be honest I believe ALL religions are awful)

It teaches us that we are all scum worthy of eternal torment in hell (or at least we are not worthy of the reward of eternal life). That there is NOTHING we can do to make ourselves redeemable in the eyes of a petty, jealous, vengeful deity. Furthermore it teaches that ONLY those that follow the religion get the benefits.

And, finally, it teaches its followers that questioning is wrong. Doubts are to be seen as "sinful". That curiosity is to be frowned upon and that anyone who dares to ask questions is to be shunned.

The bible may say "love your neighbor" but actions, as they say, speak louder than words. And Christians believe that the actions of their god, the condemnation of "others" by their god is acceptable. Which do you think is the lesson most Christians are going to take to heart? The words, "love your neighbor" or the actions of "send them to hell"?
Respectfully, you seem to know very little about it. Most of your criticism sounds reactionary rather than a result of genuine scholarly research. I have studied the Scriptures for 60 years, and I don't find anything to support your conjectures except where it is taken completely out of context and purposefully misused to distort and misrepresent what is actually recorded. Perhaps you are confusing "religion" with genuine personal faith. There is a great chasm between the two, not only in what the Scriptures are taken to mean but also in the behavior produced. Agreed, most people who read the Bible regularly and profess to be "christian" don't really understand the difference, and don't practice what it says. But it is a mistake to judge any individual by traits that you observe (or think you observe) in others of a large socio-political grouping. And it is always anti-intellectual to try to tell other people, without an honest inquiry, what THEY believe.
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Respectfully, you seem to know very little about it. Most of your criticism sounds reactionary rather than a result of genuine scholarly research. I have studied the Scriptures for 60 years, and I don't find anything to support your conjectures except where it is taken completely out of context and purposefully misused to distort and misrepresent what is actually recorded. Perhaps you are confusing "religion" with genuine personal faith. There is a great chasm between the two, not only in what the Scriptures are taken to mean but also in the behavior produced. Agreed, most people who read the Bible regularly and profess to be "christian" don't really understand the difference, and don't practice what it says. But it is a mistake to judge any individual by traits that you observe (or think you observe) in others of a large socio-political grouping. And it is always anti-intellectual to try to tell other people, without an honest inquiry, what THEY believe.
I'll agree that Nwolfe's post contained generalities, but to my experience they are valid generalities.
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I'll agree that Nwolfe's post contained generalities, but to my experience they are valid generalities.
I know where he is coming from. And he is correct to a degree from a certain misinformed point of view. I don't resent his generalities, rather I question the validity of his sources.
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Respectfully, you seem to know very little about it. Most of your criticism sounds reactionary rather than a result of genuine scholarly research. I have studied the Scriptures for 60 years, and I don't find anything to support your conjectures except where it is taken completely out of context and purposefully misused to distort and misrepresent what is actually recorded. Perhaps you are confusing "religion" with genuine personal faith. There is a great chasm between the two, not only in what the Scriptures are taken to mean but also in the behavior produced. Agreed, most people who read the Bible regularly and profess to be "christian" don't really understand the difference, and don't practice what it says. But it is a mistake to judge any individual by traits that you observe (or think you observe) in others of a large socio-political grouping. And it is always anti-intellectual to try to tell other people, without an honest inquiry, what THEY believe.
According to your belief/religion, what happens to atheists when they die?
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According to your belief/religion, what happens to atheists when they die?
That is a legitimate question. I can only offer this in response.

24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (from Hebrews 9)

Again it is a matter of perspective. 1) judgement is not assigned to me to make; 2) I cannot make a prediction regarding an individual such as yourself, that would be presumptive and arrogant; 3) judgement as used here is nondescript, no one really knows what that means--if you know your Shakespeare, death is the undiscovered country; 4) hypothetically speaking, if I were on a sinking ship and stubbornly refused to be rescued because I was in denial that rescue was available, how would that make my would-be rescuer evil?

The point is, if there is NO accountability for the condition of the human heart, than what is the philosophical and moral difference between killing my neighbor whose loud behavior disturbs my sleep, and cutting down a tree that is growing too close to the side of my house?

IF there IS accountability, how should I then live? It falls to me to see that my own behavior comes into line with what I believe. It does not fall to me to stand as judge over anyone else.
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