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Old June 18th, 2016, 08:31 AM   #31
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Why do you people keep trying to sell the idea that "the left" is claiming firearms CAUSED the Orlando shootings?

The firearms such as the semi-automatic rifle with large capacity magazines used in the Orlando shooting makes the killing EASIER, FASTER and much more EFFECIENT.
It's hatred, and mental illness that CAUSES such tragedies.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 08:54 AM   #32
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Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing, is a decision that’s wrong.

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Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history.
This was not the deadliest shooting in American history. Lie one.

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The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle.
A .223 is not a powerful assault rifle, and an AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Lies two and three.

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This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or in a nightclub.
This is a reminder of how ineffective gun laws are. Omar Mateen worked as an armed security guard for G4S. He had two gun permits. He was screened by the FBI, he was screened by his company, and he was interviewed by the FBI twice, and the FBI were alerted about his suspicious activity by as gun shop. That is not an easy avenue to procure guns. Lie four.

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And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be.
I think the majority of Americans have spoken that the unfettered influx of people from Islamic states is not the kind of country we want to be.

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And to actively do nothing, is a decision that’s wrong.
To actively go after something that was not a cause of the Orlando shooting is wrong, stupid, liberal, and counter productive.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 10:22 AM   #33
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Down is GOOD! But that's not the whole story, is it? Researchers have found that compared to people in the other high-income nations, Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. We are no. 1 in serial killers, in fact 20 times higher than the next country which is England.
We are an extremely violent nation and maybe that's because guns are so easily accessible. There are 300million guns in this country and on the rise. Gun sales have sky-rocketed in the last 5 years--ammo can't be kept on the shelves. We have a gun problem.
Being number one in serial killers actually points to the complete failure of our mental health system. I think that this is a bigger culprit in violence than the guns themselves.

Also, take a look at our media. The culture that has grown out in the last fifty years has been more blood, more gore & more shock value. Whether that is a reflection of the social culture or the driver of it I don't know (chicken:egg) but the violence level seems to have ratcheted up with a level of desensitization that has done the same.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 10:30 AM   #34
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A .223 is not a powerful assault rifle, and an AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Lies two and three.
Define "powerful."

Define "assault rifle."

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Old June 18th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #35
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Oh for cryin' outside, Sab. YOU have daughters!! "a complex set of beliefs that encourage male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm . . . In a rape culture both men and women assume that sexual violence is a fact of life, inevitable . . . However . . . much of what we accept as inevitable is in fact the expression of values and attitudes that can change. Includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women.
In other words: Boys will be BOYS. Isn't that special???? And now we have something called Rohypnol. So much easier when your victim is unconscious.
Reminds me of the guys who are prone to Necrophilia.


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Old June 18th, 2016, 10:58 AM   #36
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Being number one in serial killers actually points to the complete failure of our mental health system. I think that this is a bigger culprit in violence than the guns themselves.

Also, take a look at our media. The culture that has grown out in the last fifty years has been more blood, more gore & more shock value. Whether that is a reflection of the social culture or the driver of it I don't know (chicken:egg) but the violence level seems to have ratcheted up with a level of desensitization that has done the same.
You also have to take into account the advancement in forensics. It is quite possible that serial killers just went unnoticed in the past
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Define "powerful."

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Define "powerful."
A powerful rifle in the context of the most powerful to the least powerful is a broad range. There are around 160 rifle cartridges from the 17 Hornet with 251 foot pounds to the 700 Nitro Express with 8883 foot pounds. The .233 cartridge has 1229 foot pounds—thirteen from the bottom of all rifle cartridges. The middle of the pack is the 7mm Remington with 3190 foot pounds, which is around three times more powerful. He could have bought a handgun that is more powerful than the .233 he had with him.

I have read umpteen times in the press that he had an AR-15, which he did not, and that the AR stands for assault rifle. It does not. It stands for Armalite Rifle.
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Define "assault rifle.
The definition of an assault rifle is from the Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide, which is issued by the Department of Defense:
…short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
An assault-styled rifle bought by citizens is not a selective fire rifle as described by the DOD.
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More than likely women are purchasing more guns because of the accepted RAPE culture in this country. It's just one more 'exceptional' thing about America. Don't get me started!
There is no Rape culture in this nation. That is a blatant lie. That is nothing but worshiping the left mantra of hate the USA, the West sucks, etc. etc. You want a rape culture? Go to a Muslim Nation. You want a rape culture? Go to the Congo. If you are going to call the USA a rape culture you best come with the statistics to back it up. To say there is a Rape Culture in the context which you did is to absolutely accusing a large number of men of being rapist WITH NOTHING TO BACK IT UP EXCEPT TUMBLR. Fuck you and your rape culture bullshit. Here is some proof you bigot.
Statistics Don't Back Up Claims About 'Rape Culture' | US News Opinion
https://www.google.com/search?q=rape...utf-8&oe=utf-8
The myth of the college ?rape culture? | New York Post
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

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redefining rape and sexual assault, forcing men to repeatedly ask for consent during sexual activity, requiring a verbal "yes" and ignoring all other types of consent including initiating the activity. These activists support consent practices that treat men and women differently, and they back laws that target men and women differently.
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/rape-culture-disproved
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A powerful rifle in the context of the most powerful to the least powerful is a broad range. There are around 160 rifle cartridges from the 17 Hornet with 251 foot pounds to the 700 Nitro Express with 8883 foot pounds. The .233 cartridge has 1229 foot pounds—thirteen from the bottom of all rifle cartridges. The middle of the pack is the 7mm Remington with 3190 foot pounds, which is around three times more powerful. He could have bought a handgun that is more powerful than the .233 he had with him.

I have read umpteen times in the press that he had an AR-15, which he did not, and that the AR stands for assault rifle. It does not. It stands for Armalite Rifle.


The definition of an assault rifle is from the Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide, which is issued by the Department of Defense:
…short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
An assault-styled rifle bought by citizens is not a selective fire rifle as described by the DOD.
Stop it! You are using facts. Cut that out
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Old June 18th, 2016, 03:07 PM   #40
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Clara it sounds like you have had enough of America.Why don't you try and immigrate to Australia.We have a quarter the deaths per 100,000 from gun violence that you guys have.The government in Australia actually want to help there citizens.They don't want to kill them like the NRA.
Jet, thank you so much for your concern. I DO appreciate it. However, I am very happy in America and my family is in America. I like my home, my church, my friends. I'm sure Australia is a lovely country...but I shall remain here and fight the good fight.
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