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Old June 17th, 2016, 03:49 AM   #1
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FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low

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The US homicide rate in 2014, the most recent year available, was 4.5 per 100,000. The 2014 total follows a long downward trend and is the lowest homicide rate recorded since 1963 when the rate was 4.6 per 100,000. To find a lower homicide rate, we must travel back to 1957 when the total homicide rate hit 4.0 per 100,000.

Homicide rates were considerably higher in the United States during the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, but over the past 25 years, have fallen nearly continuously:


Ask the average American if crime is falling in the United States, however, and you're unlikely to hear about how homicide is at a 50-year low.

Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen

As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly.

Over a recent 20 year period, the number of new guns in the US that were either manufactured in the US or imported into the US increased 141 percent from 6.6 million new guns in 1994 to 16 million in 2013. That means a gross total of 132 million new guns were added into the US population over that time period.


So, do more guns equal more crime? The data would seem to indicate the answer is "obviously not." (For more on this, see here.)

Naturally, these facts are steadfastly ignored by people who can't do basic arithmetic, like the constitutional law Professor David S. Cohen who wrote Monday at Rolling Stone that the second Amendment must be repealed because it is "a threat to liberty" and a "suicide pact."

Cohen's argument rests largely on the idea that gun violence it out of control and that guns are different now than they were in the 18th century. One cannot argue with the former part. But are guns significantly different today from what they were twenty years ago? Clearly, the answer to that is no, and given that homicide rates have plummeted since then, Cohen needs to explain why repealing the second Amendment is advisable when increases in gun ownership have coincided with declines in homicides.

Moreover, we must ask ourselves if the US was engaged in a "suicide pact" in the 1940s and 1950s when homicide rates where at historic lows, when the Second Amendment existed, and when gun control measures were very weak by modern standards.

But what about the murders at the Pulse club last weekend? Won't that cause homicide rates to go back up? Anyone familiar with math, of course, will know that in a country of 300 million people a mass shooting like this will have virtually no effect on overall homicide rates at all. But even if we pull out Florida specifically, homicide rates will remain well below what they were in the 1980s even if we include last weekend's murders. For example, in 2014, there were 1,149 homicides in Florida. That's out of a population of 20.2 million people, for a homicide rate of about 5.6 per 100,000. In 1984 — a fairly average year for homicide in Florida in those days — there were 1,264 homicides in a population of 11 million. That comes out to a homicide rate of 11.4 per 100,000. (The nation at the time had a homicide rate of about 7.9 per 100,000)

Now, I'm not saying that homicides are no big deal if the trend is downward. Nor am I saying there's anything wrong with wanting to drive the homicide rate even lower. However, panicky claims that the US has entered into a suicide pact or that the nation is on the precipice of violent implosion are simply not grounded in reality.

https://mises.org/blog/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low


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Down is GOOD! But that's not the whole story, is it? Researchers have found that compared to people in the other high-income nations, Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. We are no. 1 in serial killers, in fact 20 times higher than the next country which is England.
We are an extremely violent nation and maybe that's because guns are so easily accessible. There are 300million guns in this country and on the rise. Gun sales have sky-rocketed in the last 5 years--ammo can't be kept on the shelves. We have a gun problem.
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You people are crazy if you think 4.5 deaths per 100,000 is acceptable.In 1995 1 year before the gun buyback in Australia homicides were 2 per 100,000, 18 years later in 2013 homicides were only 1.2 per 100,000.

And you guys in America think 4.5 is ok.Are you guys fkn mental?????????????

This information was supplied buy the Australian institute for criminology.
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Down is GOOD! But that's not the whole story, is it? Researchers have found that compared to people in the other high-income nations, Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. We are no. 1 in serial killers, in fact 20 times higher than the next country which is England.
We are an extremely violent nation and maybe that's because guns are so easily accessible. There are 300million guns in this country and on the rise. Gun sales have sky-rocketed in the last 5 years--ammo can't be kept on the shelves. We have a gun problem.
Thats not the fault of firearms. That is the fault of a war on drugs and the fault of liberal policies using welfare as a tool to buy votes thus keeping minorities in a situation of being on a chain and not escaping inner city poverty
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This is the whole story.

The US cannot be compared to other countries regarding guns, homicides, and violent crime. There is a marked difference between the murder rate and violent crime rate in the US between areas with populations over 250,000 and under 250,000. The U.S. has double the crime and murder rate in areas with populations over 250,000. The number of murders in the US in areas with populations under 250,000 is 1.9 percent. the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well. The US has 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, Sweden has 3, Norway has 1, Finland has 2, and Iceland has 0. In the U.K, there are only 32 areas with populations over 250,000, so there murder rates will be lower, and their violent crime rates should be lower as well, but with only 32 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the U.K. has over 5 times the violent crime rate as the U.S. With 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well, and these factors will increase a far more potential violent interaction between the population and police, thus a far higher percentage of justified homicides committed by the police. This does not take away from the fact that there are certainly far too many citizens killed by police, but it needs to be put in perspective regarding a comparison to other countries, which is not a feasible comparison because of the above-mentioned statistics and dramatically differing cultures.

The murder rate in areas with a population between 250,000 and 499,999 is 11.8 per 100,000.

The murder rate in areas with a population between 500,000 and 999,999 is 12.1 per 100,000.

The murder rate in areas with a population over 1,000,000 is 8.8 per 100,000.

This is an average of 9 murders per 100,000 in areas over 250,000.

The national average is 4.5 murders per 100,000.

Can any anti-gun individual who understands statistics fill in the blanks between 9 murders per 100,000 in areas over 250,000, the national average of 4.5 murders per 100,000, and what the murder rate per 100,000 must be to drop the rate from 9 per 100,000 to 4.5 per 100,000 and its relevance to the rest of the world?
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Thats not the fault of firearms. That is the fault of a war on drugs and the fault of liberal policies using welfare as a tool to buy votes thus keeping minorities in a situation of being on a chain and not escaping inner city poverty
Who mentioned welfare and drugs and poverty.We are looking at the facts.
Were not a spin doctor like you.You should of been a lying politician.
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This is the whole story.

The US cannot be compared to other countries regarding guns, homicides, and violent crime. There is a marked difference between the murder rate and violent crime rate in the US between areas with populations over 250,000 and under 250,000. The U.S. has double the crime and murder rate in areas with populations over 250,000. The number of murders in the US in areas with populations under 250,000 is 1.9 percent. the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well. The US has 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, Sweden has 3, Norway has 1, Finland has 2, and Iceland has 0. In the U.K, there are only 32 areas with populations over 250,000, so there murder rates will be lower, and their violent crime rates should be lower as well, but with only 32 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the U.K. has over 5 times the violent crime rate as the U.S. With 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well, and these factors will increase a far more potential violent interaction between the population and police, thus a far higher percentage of justified homicides committed by the police. This does not take away from the fact that there are certainly far too many citizens killed by police, but it needs to be put in perspective regarding a comparison to other countries, which is not a feasible comparison because of the above-mentioned statistics and dramatically differing cultures.

The murder rate in areas with a population between 250,000 and 499,999 is 11.8 per 100,000.

The murder rate in areas with a population between 500,000 and 999,999 is 12.1 per 100,000.

The murder rate in areas with a population over 1,000,000 is 8.8 per 100,000.

This is an average of 9 murders per 100,000 in areas over 250,000.

The national average is 4.5 murders per 100,000.

Can any anti-gun individual who understands statistics fill in the blanks between 9 murders per 100,000 in areas over 250,000, the national average of 4.5 murders per 100,000, and what the murder rate per 100,000 must be to drop the rate from 9 per 100,000 to 4.5 per 100,000 and its relevance to the rest of the world?


I am not anti-gun 'people'. I am anti-murder, anti-mass murder, anti-violence, anti-dead children and anti-EASE of gun buying. Why is it when someone expresses outrage over 50 dead people in Orlando, or 20 dead children at Sandy Hook we are automatically stereotyped as Left Wing Loons who are anti-guns. I'd venture a guess that a large majority of Liberals/Democrats support the 2nd Amendment completely. We just want some control over WHO gets guns and HOW they are used. Anyone can go online and get a concealed carry permit in 30 minutes with a $70 fee. ANYONE!! There are loopholes in background checks which need to be fixed.
Federally licensed gun sellers are required to run background checks. But not all sellers are required to be licensed. Some of those unlicensed sellers sell at gun shows. It’s not clear how many sellers are licensed and how many are not. People do buy guns without having to undergo background checks. And WHY do our lawmakers have to have a debate about whether potential terrorists on watchlists should be denied guns?? That is just stupid.
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I am not anti-gun 'people'. I am anti-murder, anti-mass murder, anti-violence, anti-dead children and anti-EASE of gun buying. Why is it when someone expresses outrage over 50 dead people in Orlando, or 20 dead children at Sandy Hook we are automatically stereotyped as Left Wing Loons who are anti-guns. I'd venture a guess that a large majority of Liberals/Democrats support the 2nd Amendment completely. We just want some control over WHO gets guns and HOW they are used. Anyone can go online and get a concealed carry permit in 30 minutes with a $70 fee. ANYONE!! There are loopholes in background checks which need to be fixed.
Federally licensed gun sellers are required to run background checks. But not all sellers are required to be licensed. Some of those unlicensed sellers sell at gun shows. It’s not clear how many sellers are licensed and how many are not. People do buy guns without having to undergo background checks. And WHY do our lawmakers have to have a debate about whether potential terrorists on watchlists should be denied guns?? That is just stupid.
Another disgrace, is if weapons are bought at a gun show the back ground check is not required.How fkn stupid is that.The stupid politicians of America have a lot of blood on there hands.
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