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Old August 20th, 2016, 02:21 PM   #11
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Uh, wut?

Fines are imposed after the disposition of a case as part of the final judgement.

Bail is imposed as means of release after arrest, before any trials. The ruling regarding poor defendents sitting in jail for months or even years before their trials, usually involving petty crimes and drug offenses (I repeat myself), and will be incarcerated longer than any time, if any was imposed, as a part of the final disposition of the case.

Unlike rich little white boys, or those whose parents are politically, or well connected, who don't sit in jail for an hour after some horrific crimes in certain cases.

And then get off with light sentences after their $100,000 attorneys argue they're suffering from "Affluenza".

In which case I could make an argument that the judge who arrived at that ruling should be sitting in jail with no bail.
What does your post have to do with my post?
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This is not shocking at all to me. Remember back in the 1970's when the liberals began their mantra blaming the environment for crimes and not the individual? Today we have the same thing. We have most liberals on here apologizing TO Islam for Islam's actions. We have most liberals justifying burning and looting at your typical BLM gathering. Why would this come as a surprise?
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Old August 20th, 2016, 06:29 PM   #13
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This is not shocking at all to me. Remember back in the 1970's when the liberals began their mantra blaming the environment for crimes and not the individual? Today we have the same thing. We have most liberals on here apologizing TO Islam for Islam's actions. We have most liberals justifying burning and looting at your typical BLM gathering. Why would this come as a surprise?
Aw Jesus....

The "criminals" affected most by this ruling are people with a $117 traffic fine who failed to appear at their court date.. They are arrested on a outstanding warrant for failing to appear, and of course they don't have any money to either pay the fine or produce bail. Often this means they'll lose their job.

And, the subsequent fines imposed aren't going to make any matters better. Banks are hesitant to make loans to people in jail so that they can pay off traffic fines.

I hate writing this sort of bond, the $200 bond, because the often get "forgotten" by the bailee...

Sometimes people involved in this situation are good people.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 06:41 PM   #14
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Presumption of innocence
Probable cause.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 07:01 PM   #15
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Probable cause.
...doesn't overrule presumption of innocence.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 07:06 PM   #16
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...doesn't overrule presumption of innocence.
Doesn't overrule personal responsibility. Being poor shouldn't be a pass.
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...doesn't overrule presumption of innocence.
Nor does it overrule posting bond. Probable cause got them there.
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Nor does it overrule posting bond. Probable cause got them there.
Sometimes. An asshole cop with an attitude and reputation to match may me the reason the person is in jail.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 07:27 PM   #19
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Doesn't overrule personal responsibility. Being poor shouldn't be a pass.
So, keep the guy in jail knowing he'll have no job upon release, and in the interim ensure he'll have more fees and fines to pay because of his incarceration (being in jail isn't cost-free). There. You've cut off your nose to spite your face. Justice served.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #20
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Remember the old adage, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Let's let the responsibility for criminal actions lie with the criminal. Their crime, their time.
Yes, but people get jailed for not paying fines, parking tickets, child support, speeding tickets, drug possession, not paying taxes and a sleu of other petty things.

If there is no victim and/or if there is no immediate threat to the public then there is no reason for society to stuff people in cages.

Debtors prison.
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