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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:18 AM   #21
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There are different angles approach this issue.
One is to ask the direct questions, like "What are the statistics on U.S. citizens who don't have a driver's license?"

Another is the approach of trying to ask a different question like "welfare without an ID" which doesn't really broach the issue of statistics of the people involved. It essentially tries to assume it must be okay.

One of the real problems (IMO) with SOME of these types of programs is exemplified with the Texas implementation. They require SPECIFIC forms of ID that are RESTRICTIVE in what people have in the general population. I talked about this here
Texas has LIMITED the means by which people can prove their citizenry in a restrictive way which EXCLUDES many people.
Other states / areas have implemented BROADER ID requirements which allow for more methods to be used to prove one's identity.

For me, I don't object to EVERY voter ID requirement.
But it better be implemented smartly to help maximize voter participation / minimize voter disenfranchisement.



As with many things, it's the METHOD that is important.
Here is a web-site which talks about many different type of state implementations. Some are more restrictive than others. Some have better "exception" handling (voter doesn't have the listed IDs) than others.

For me, that's what this really boils down to.
Method in the madness?
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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:20 AM   #22
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One can use any of twenty-eight different forms ID to get their free voter ID card.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:21 AM   #23
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There are different angles approach this issue.
One is to ask the direct questions, like "What are the statistics on U.S. citizens who don't have a driver's license?"

Another is the approach of trying to ask a different question like "welfare without an ID" which doesn't really broach the issue of statistics of the people involved. It essentially tries to assume it must be okay.

One of the real problems (IMO) with SOME of these types of programs is exemplified with the Texas implementation. They require SPECIFIC forms of ID that are RESTRICTIVE in what people have in the general population. I talked about this here
Texas has LIMITED the means by which people can prove their citizenry in a restrictive way which EXCLUDES many people.
Other states / areas have implemented BROADER ID requirements which allow for more methods to be used to prove one's identity.

For me, I don't object to EVERY voter ID requirement.
But it better be implemented smartly to help maximize voter participation / minimize voter disenfranchisement.



As with many things, it's the METHOD that is important.
Here is a web-site which talks about many different type of state implementations. Some are more restrictive than others. Some have better "exception" handling (voter doesn't have the listed IDs) than others.

For me, that's what this really boils down to.
Then why did you not imply that is what it boils down to for you in the first place? Why did you choose to go on some sanctimonious arbitration against ID requirements in general?
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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:34 AM   #24
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Then why did you not imply that is what it boils down to for you in the first place? Why did you choose to go on some sanctimonious arbitration against ID requirements in general?
This is the 'Me' generation.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 09:53 AM   #25
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There are different angles approach this issue.
One is to ask the direct questions, like "What are the statistics on U.S. citizens who don't have a driver's license?"

Another is the approach of trying to ask a different question like "welfare without an ID" which doesn't really broach the issue of statistics of the people involved. It essentially tries to assume it must be okay.

One of the real problems (IMO) with SOME of these types of programs is exemplified with the Texas implementation. They require SPECIFIC forms of ID that are RESTRICTIVE in what people have in the general population. I talked about this here
Texas has LIMITED the means by which people can prove their citizenry in a restrictive way which EXCLUDES many people.
Other states / areas have implemented BROADER ID requirements which allow for more methods to be used to prove one's identity.

For me, I don't object to EVERY voter ID requirement.
But it better be implemented smartly to help maximize voter participation / minimize voter disenfranchisement.



As with many things, it's the METHOD that is important.
Here is a web-site which talks about many different type of state implementations. Some are more restrictive than others. Some have better "exception" handling (voter doesn't have the listed IDs) than others.

For me, that's what this really boils down to.
And as stated by my qualifiers, I would agree. For example, the two provinces I have lived in have a service at all DMVs and welfare administration offices that can issue a photo ID separate of a driver's licence.

And there are personnel available to assist those that need it.

There is a small fee, $25 in BC, but it is waived if your taxable income is below some threshold. All you have to bring is your last income tax assessment form. And all people who get any kind of revenue have to submit an income tax form even if they pay zero tax or SS equivalent.
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I'm not even sure I'll be able to use my driver's license as I.D. to vote this year.

I just went to renew my driver's license. As if that three hour affair isn't acid bath enough, they have made it so that the driver's license is no longer an "official I.D." To get it turned into an "official I.D." you had to bring your birth certificate, mail with your address, and something else (there were three things). Then you stood in ANOTHER line for an hour or so to get it stamped "Official Connecticut Identification Card."

I didn't know anything about it - it wasnt mentioned on the renewal notice that came in the mail, and I certainly didn't bring all that crap with me. All I ever needed to renew my driver's license was my OLD driver's license.

So, rather than drive back to New Haven (we don't have a DMV here), I just said screw it and went with a driver's license that wasn't an official I.D. card.

I don't know if I'll be able to vote or not. I'll take along my passport - though it has to be renewed before election and who knows what we have to go through NOW for that.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 03:42 PM   #27
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I'm not even sure I'll be able to use my driver's license as I.D. to vote this year.

I just went to renew my driver's license. As if that three hour affair isn't acid bath enough, they have made it so that the driver's license is no longer an "official I.D." To get it turned into an "official I.D." you had to bring your birth certificate, mail with your address, and something else (there were three things). Then you stood in ANOTHER line for an hour or so to get it stamped "Official Connecticut Identification Card."

I didn't know anything about it - it wasnt mentioned on the renewal notice that came in the mail, and I certainly didn't bring all that crap with me. All I ever needed to renew my driver's license was my OLD driver's license.

So, rather than drive back to New Haven (we don't have a DMV here), I just said screw it and went with a driver's license that wasn't an official I.D. card.

I don't know if I'll be able to vote or not. I'll take along my passport - though it has to be renewed before election and who knows what we have to go through NOW for that.
What the hell do they do with your tax money. I've had to wait at our equivalent of the DMV for about half an hour once in a while and I was incensed each time. You need more and better ones obviously.

Maybe voter ID isn't such a good idea in the US after all.
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The minority vote increased in Texas after the voter ID law went into effect regardless of what lostit can find on a liberal website. The Texas law had Supreme Court precedent behind it regardless of of what lostit can find on a liberal website.

If someone cannot make it to a Texas DMV in a two year period to get their free voter ID, they have no business voting.
And why did minority voting go up?
And why did minority voting also go up in the jurisdictions that didn't pass voter ID laws?
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And why did minority voting go up?
And why did minority voting also go up in the jurisdictions that didn't pass voter ID laws?
Probably because voter ID does affect voting and the states that implemented voter ID made IDs free and easily accessible.
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