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Old May 7th, 2017, 08:06 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Federal Judge Says Texas Voter ID Law Intentionally Discriminates

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A federal judge ruled on Monday that the voter identification law the Texas Legislature passed in 2011 was enacted with the intent to discriminate against black and Hispanic voters, raising the possibility that the state’s election procedures could be put back under federal oversight.

In a long-running case over the legality of one of the toughest voter ID laws in the country, the judge found that the law violated the federal Voting Rights Act.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/u...-law.html?_r=0

I think it's past time that the Repub voters recognized the tactics of the Repub politicians to pull crap like this.

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The judge highlighted attempts by Democrats to blunt the racial impact of the law, known as Senate Bill 14, through amendments that were ultimately rejected, including allowing additional types of photo identification. “Many categories of acceptable photo IDs permitted by other states were omitted from the Texas bill,” she wrote.
They claim it's about voter security, but then the implementation brings in something extra: racially focused discrimination.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 08:14 PM   #2
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The Fifth Circuit remanded this case back to this judge. She is using the same methodology. Regardless of this judge or the Fifth Circuit, the Texas law has Supreme Court precedent behind it.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #3
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Way to ignore every point made...

Your comments ignore the facts.
The appeals court — the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, in New Orleans — found that Judge Ramos had relied too heavily on Texas’ history of discriminatory voting measures and other evidence it labeled “infirm” and asked her to reweigh the question of discriminatory intent.
And as I pointed out, her latest ruling documents the current facts which help demonstrate the discriminatory intent.
The judge highlighted attempts by Democrats to blunt the racial impact of the law, known as Senate Bill 14, through amendments that were ultimately rejected, including allowing additional types of photo identification. “Many categories of acceptable photo IDs permitted by other states were omitted from the Texas bill,” she wrote.
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The judge is lying. Minority voting increased after the law was passed. The Texas law has Supreme Court precedent behind it.
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The judge is lying.
The temptation for an equivalent retort of proclaiming you are lying...



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Minority voting increased after the law was passed.
Care to prove this claim?


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The Texas law has Supreme Court precedent behind it.
Care to explain this claim?
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To you, no.
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Anybody who takes JimmyB at his word with absolutely no substantiation of his claims would be swayed by the above.

The rest of us living in the real world?


The problem with the Republican antics on voter ID laws is that often they pick ID that is held less frequently by minorities. Thus, they exclude minorities (who would vote Democrat more often) to lower their vote count.

Take for example, driver's licenses...
The percentage of people without a driver's license is not trivial. One study...
H For 16- through 44-year-olds, there was a continuous decrease in the percentage of
persons with a driver’s license for the years examined. For example, the
percentages for 20- to 24-year-olds in 1983, 2008, 2011, and 2014 were 91.8%,
82.0%, 79.7%, and 76.7%, respectively.
H For 45- through 69-year-olds, there was an increase in the percentage of persons
with a driver’s license from 1983 to 2008, followed by a continuous decrease from
2008 to 2014. For example, the percentages for 60- to 64-year-olds in 1983, 2008,
2011, and 2014 were 83.8%, 95.9%, 92.7%, and 92.1%, respectively.
http://www.umich.edu/~umtriswt/PDF/U...ct_English.pdf


And they disproportionately affect blacks / minorities more.
A 2007 survey of Indiana’s voting-age citizens found 26.6 percent of blacks and 13.6 percent of whites did not have a "current" government-issued or state university-issued photo ID.
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This whole Voter ID argument is stupid. You need tod show an ID to show residency in the area where you are voting. I grew up in a suburb next to a larger city, and I would have liked to vote in the election for mayor in the larger city since it influences my bedroom community. But I cannot since I am not a resident there.

Voter ID also prevents people from voting more than once. Since less than half of eligible Americans even bother anyway, I do not think this is much of an issue, but Voter ID keeps this from being a problem.

Personally, I think elections should be held on Sunday for 24 hours, from midnight to midnight. This gives everyone the opportunity the chance to cast a ballot, and more people are off work on Saturday. Three shifts of election commission people doing an eight hour shift. Having the elections on Tuesday during business hours keeps a lot of working people from showing up. Early voting is possible upon request. We need to do something about getting many more people to participate in the process. This is why we get these half ass politicians and people like Donald Trump because of lousy participation.

I think not allowing felons to vote is bullshit too. Why because someone has a criminal record, they should be disenfranchised from voting and being a part of society? Felons are punished so much and feel sometimes very egregiously. If you are a killer, a rapist, a pedophile or someone dangerous, you need to be locked up. But most felons are not locked up for life, a lot of them got caught with drugs or selling small amounts to feed a habit, or many other nonviolent beefs. Almost impossible for a felon to find work, rent an apartment or do shit, and it is a system for failure to force the felon to reoffend to eat, and we deny them a voice in trying to possibly change the system and again be part of society? Bullshit. (For the record. Not a felon. Committed felonies and was not caught.)
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/u...-law.html?_r=0

I think it's past time that the Repub voters recognized the tactics of the Repub politicians to pull crap like this.



They claim it's about voter security, but then the implementation brings in something extra: racially focused discrimination.


There's more than one issue here, which the piece points out. First, is the history of discrimination--evidence of wrong-doing. That in and of itself raises a red flag. Secondly, narrowing the categories of photo I.D. omitted by the Texas law. Third, classifying this law as "emergency" legislation?? Seriously? Cutting debate short and bypassing the ordinary committee process in both chambers?
AND finally, redrawing the city electoral map? Are these people stupid? How blatant can they be?

No matter how many time the GOP shouts "VOTER FRAUD", these ID laws DO PREVENT people from voting and what a coincidence! It prevents the Democratic constituents from voting. Honestly, it makes a person wonder about the intelligence of the RW. Do they really think NO ONE notices? Do they really think NO ONE can put two and two together?
I'm all for obtaining and carrying personal identification. I think everyone should have it, but when the process becomes as burdensome as that above, it's gone too far and the GOP knows it.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:32 AM   #10
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The minority vote increased in Texas after the voter ID law went into effect regardless of what lostit can find on a liberal website. The Texas law had Supreme Court precedent behind it regardless of of what lostit can find on a liberal website.

If someone cannot make it to a Texas DMV in a two year period to get their free voter ID, they have no business voting.
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