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Old August 18th, 2017, 11:31 AM   #21
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Owe up to your failures 049. My oldest daughter was snatched from her hometown by her mom, and put into a shitty school system. But she excelled anyway, and had prestigious universities offering her 90+ percent scholarships.

"Flower children" were shot coming out of the gate. Love and peace never had a chance. While the Beatles proclaimed all you need is love, the Doors were chanting "Hello, I love you won't you tell me your name." The latter prevailed.

You want to fix the things your elders allowed to break? Fix yourself. Clear the hatred from your heart.

The actual systems in place in this world aren't the cause of the monumentally dysfunctional clusterfuck that we call human civilization. It's the people who are the problem, though in their defense a formidable array of mind-controlling "advertisement" has been deployed against them and their best interests.

You'll either wise up to the utter futility of this approach you've chosen, or else you too will be shot coming out of the gate.

The Revolution isn't something that happens externally. It's an internal event. It happens one person at a time.
With all do respect, you should have known "all you need is love" was a fools errand. Conflict is the motor of the universe. When gravity holds us down, and we build rockets to combat that force, it is conflict. When we butt heads in heated debate, and try to convince one another of our persuasions, that is conflict. And when we fire a gun to kill our enemies, that is conflict as well.


Conflict is the motor of the universe, it keeps us spinning. But where you have been mistaken is that conflict is necessarily born of hate. Is it hatred that causes men to revolt against God? Or is it his will to reach out and touch his own future? I know as for me it is the later. I carry no hatred, but I do hold wrath. Though a better term would be indignation.

You are right in saying it is the foolishness of man which places him in hell, but that self-derived destruction is actually a silver lining. The greatest aspect of the ideology of "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" is that we do just that- rule. It can be changed at any point, so that the hellfire not char your skin, but warm your chambers. And this is the great hope. Mankind are fools, ignorant and stupid. But creatures with infinite potential always have the propensity within themselves to become something more.

And this is what you have wrong. The internal revolution has already occurred. We are applying ourselves to the world around us, and exerting our will to power. You see the seeds in the dirt, but the truth is we've already begun to bud.
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Old August 18th, 2017, 12:34 PM   #22
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Was it the people of the state that voted to remove the statues, or was it the authorities superseding that state right?
It was the people of the state who elected the local authorities, who voted to remove the statues.
Who better to make the decision?
It wasn't the people who put up those statues, it was politicians pandering to racist voters. And those statues are coming down, because politicians are pandering to social justice voters.


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Old August 18th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #23
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Was it the people of the state that voted to remove the statues, or was it the authorities superseding that state right?
It was the elected representatives elected BY the local people that made the decision. The local people, IF they wish, can display their displeasure by voting every one of them out of office if they wish, or recalling them right right.

"The authorities" you whine about were LOCAL PEOPLE voted into office by other LOCAL PEOPLE.

What the fuck is WRONG with you?
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With all do respect, you should have known "all you need is love" was a fools errand. Conflict is the motor of the universe. When gravity holds us down, and we build rockets to combat that force, it is conflict. When we butt heads in heated debate, and try to convince one another of our persuasions, that is conflict. And when we fire a gun to kill our enemies, that is conflict as well.


Conflict is the motor of the universe, it keeps us spinning. But where you have been mistaken is that conflict is necessarily born of hate. Is it hatred that causes men to revolt against God? Or is it his will to reach out and touch his own future? I know as for me it is the later. I carry no hatred, but I do hold wrath. Though a better term would be indignation.

You are right in saying it is the foolishness of man which places him in hell, but that self-derived destruction is actually a silver lining. The greatest aspect of the ideology of "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" is that we do just that- rule. It can be changed at any point, so that the hellfire not char your skin, but warm your chambers. And this is the great hope. Mankind are fools, ignorant and stupid. But creatures with infinite potential always have the propensity within themselves to become something more.

And this is what you have wrong. The internal revolution has already occurred. We are applying ourselves to the world around us, and exerting our will to power. You see the seeds in the dirt, but the truth is we've already begun to bud.
It's "due" respect. You may chide me for nitpicking, but it's the inattention to detail that will doom your efforts.

I see a lot of you in the young me. The world is ripe for the taking I thought as you now think. But unlike you, I realized all you need is love, that only love creates, and all hatred - or conflict if you are uncomfortable calling hatred. hatred - can accomplish is to tear down what love has created.

The fool's errand is to deny that all you need is love. The evidence to establish that all you need is love is the entirety of human history. At no time has this principle guided human evolution and governance.

On the other hand, the credo you espouse has been firmly in control. Always, the belief that from conflict goodness will emerge has dominated human affairs. Many good people have believed in this credo and have died in that belief. But never has peace followed war. In fact, the conclusion of most wars has laid the foundation for the next war. Killing one's enemies has always lead to more death and destruction.

You attempt to euphemize hatred and war as "conflict," which "is the motor of the universe." Damn man, how do you know what drives this universe. Moreover, conflict is necessarily born of hate. Please don't pull some asinine 1984 war is peace word redefinition on me here. And don't put words into my mouth. I've not said the foolishness of humans places us in hell. It may fit your argument, but I didn't say it. I said:
The actual systems in place in this world aren't the cause of the monumentally dysfunctional clusterfuck that we call human civilization. It's the people who are the problem, though in their defense a formidable array of mind-controlling "advertisement" has been deployed against them and their best interests.
"...in their defense a formidable array of mind-controlling "advertisement" has been deployed against them and their best interests.

Deployed by "leaders," those folks who are brighter than commoners, who deserve to rule, and who will rule you, fools, ignorant and stupid, or else you shall die.

You're on to nothing new. Humankind has been here before thousands if not millions of times. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results still is the definition of insanity. I don't see any seeds in the dirt. I see the same ol' wine in a brand-new bottle.
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If cyclical repitition is the truth of insanity, then what? To wake and sate the needs of the material body; to be born and die and give birth again; to relearn all the lessons of those who came before; what is life but the ultimate expression of insanity? To live is itself to be insane.

I don't understand your concept of love trumps all. I really don't. It's not that I hate it. Quite the opposite. I wanted to believe in that so strongly once upon a time, but I came to the conclusion that as long as there are demons which walk the earth then men who know only love are but prey. I want to be the catcher in the rye, I want to protect their ability to know love. But to do that I must destroy the things which are wicked. And to do that, you must become strong. You must become the monsters you fight, and stare into the abyss and let it stare also unto you.

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If cyclical repitition is the truth of insanity, then what? To wake and sate the needs of the material body; to be born and die and give birth again; to relearn all the lessons of those who came before; what is life but the ultimate expression of insanity? To live is itself to be insane.

I don't understand your concept of love trumps all. I really don't. It's not that I hate it. Quite the opposite. I wanted to believe in that so strongly once upon a time, but I came to the conclusion that as long as there are demons which walk the earth then men who know only love are but prey. I want to be the catcher in the rye, I want to protect their ability to know love. But to do that I must destroy the things which are wicked. And to do that, you must become strong. You must become the monsters you fight, and stare into the abyss and let it stare also unto you.
You need to lay off the interactive, violent, fantasy role-playing video games for awhile kid. Seriously.


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You need to lay off the interactive, violent, fantasy role-playing video games for awhile kid. Seriously.


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It's not a game anymore Hollywood.
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If cyclical repitition is the truth of insanity, then what? To wake and sate the needs of the material body; to be born and die and give birth again; to relearn all the lessons of those who came before; what is life but the ultimate expression of insanity? To live is itself to be insane.

I don't understand your concept of love trumps all. I really don't. It's not that I hate it. Quite the opposite. I wanted to believe in that so strongly once upon a time, but I came to the conclusion that as long as there are demons which walk the earth then men who know only love are but prey. I want to be the catcher in the rye, I want to protect their ability to know love. But to do that I must destroy the things which are wicked. And to do that, you must become strong. You must become the monsters you fight, and stare into the abyss and let it stare also unto you.
It's not my concept. Every prophet and avatar has concluded: All you need is love.

Religions and governments have done their best to obscure this truth.

Becoming the monsters you fight makes you a monster. Don't underestimate the power of the dark side. Some are able to return to normal but they are the exception. Most are forever damaged.
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It's not a game anymore Hollywood.
Many games are violent and destructive. *shrug*
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