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Old September 27th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #1
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Protests. Will they become illegal?

Maybe some of you (like me) have been watching the Ken Burns' Vietnam War series on PBS. It brings back horrendous memories of a time most of us would like to forget or at least push to the back of our minds. We all lost those we loved. We've walked by the black granite wall. We've wept with grief over the 58,000 mostly young YOUNG men who never came home and the countless others who came home and really never recovered. I am aware that some of our posters served in Vietnam.
During those years, we the people were lied to. College students were killed. Secrets were buried for years. Once upon a time, we believed that the government would only tell the truth. In the documentary, John Musgrave, a Vietnam vet, puts it this way: “We were probably the last kids of any generation that actually believed our government would never lie to us.” Now, no one believes that. Vietnam shattered the myth, not just that the government was always truthful, but that it would never demand of its young men that they fight and perhaps die to prolong a war that the politicians could not end in a politically convenient fashion.
AND, during these years thousands protested...and were shamed for it. Arrested. Spit on. Shot. Gassed. Dragged. Blackened. Detested. All because they protested against a government that had LIED all along.

So here we are. Protesting again. AND what have we learned? Well, apparently what we've learned is that whichever political party is in power gets to decide whether the protest is valid or invalid--whether it is lawful or deserving of outrage.

What’s the state of free speech in America?

Sanford Ungar, who teaches about it at Harvard and Georgetown, has a simple, depressing answer.

“It’s a mess,” he says.

It’s not just the problems on college campuses where high-profile speakers haven’t been allowed to talk. It’s not just what happened in Charlottesville, where a counterprotester was run over and killed. It’s not just President Trump’s insistent call for the firings or suspensions of NFL players who take a knee during the national anthem to protest police violence.

An insidious problem also is developing in dozens of states where legislatures are considering — and sometimes approving — new laws that restrict free speech.

“They are criminalizing things that are pretty routine,” Ungar told me. “Much of the activism of the Vietnam and civil rights era would be completely illegal” under the new laws.

Twenty-seven states have considered such legislation, he said. Twelve bills have become law, and many others remain under consideration.

Some of the bills sound perfectly acceptable at first because their purported aim is tranquility.
But here’s the problem: Meaningful protest isn’t always as mild as milk. The new laws have little tolerance for the tumultuous reality of dissent.

Find out what individual states are considering--just to shut us up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.314c4601673f
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Old September 27th, 2017, 03:13 PM   #2
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The right is to peaceably assemble.
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In Iowa, for example, the legislature considered a bill to punish protesters who block highway traffic with up to five years in prison.

Nothing wrong with this.

In Arizona, the state Senate approved a bill that would add “rioting” to organized crime statutes, making participation in a protest that turns into a riot a possible criminal racketeering offense.

Nothing wrong with this.
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Very one sided article. When was it ever legal to block a highway because your mad? That is why there is a process in place to get a permit so arrangements can be made for marches and other such protests.

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What is tumultuous reality of dissent? Blocking major highways denying people their right of travel? Denying emergency services to people (Remember NJ Bridge gate you communists went fucking nuts over dying people because the bridge was closed). Not allowing people to wear masks at a protest? So if its Antifa in the mask its cool, if its the klan then omg omg arrest them. Neither group is worth two shits either way
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The right is to peaceably assemble.


Oh. You mean like the Kent State students??
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No, if the players had gone to a Racist BLM protest, People would not have a problem.
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We will RESIST despite what the clowns do. Words on paper are useless at this point.
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Very one sided article. When was it ever legal to block a highway because your mad? That is why there is a process in place to get a permit so arrangements can be made for marches and other such protests.

What is tumultuous reality of dissent? Blocking major highways denying people their right of travel? Denying emergency services to people (Remember NJ Bridge gate you communists went fucking nuts over dying people because the bridge was closed). Not allowing people to wear masks at a protest? So if its Antifa in the mask its cool, if its the klan then omg omg arrest them. Neither group is worth two shits either way
I don't give a shit if the KKK wears masks - it's their AGENDA and the policies they endorse and advocate that I loathe. I don't give a damn what their ugly faces look like.

A person has every right to be anonymous if he wants to be. A store owner also has the right to not admit somebody who is anonymous. But, a citizen shoud have the right to dress the way he flippin' well pleases.
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Oh. You mean like the Kent State students??
Remember this "son of a bitch?"

50 years ago, MLK led civil rights marches

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Very one sided article. When was it ever legal to block a highway because your mad? That is why there is a process in place to get a permit so arrangements can be made for marches and other such protests.

What is tumultuous reality of dissent? Blocking major highways denying people their right of travel? Denying emergency services to people (Remember NJ Bridge gate you communists went fucking nuts over dying people because the bridge was closed). Not allowing people to wear masks at a protest? So if its Antifa in the mask its cool, if its the klan then omg omg arrest them. Neither group is worth two shits either way
W/o their masks they are just a bunch of white middle class crybabies. But w/ their masks on. All trash cans better watch out.

It is amazing how far the american left has fallen.
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