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Old October 24th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #131
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Do you think that crony capitalism happens by accident, or is a rare event caused by a few bad actors?
Crony capitalism is the goal of every business owner-reduce risk or offload as much risk as possible!
That was the whole point behind 'Tort Reform' awhile back where supposedly businesses were being bankrupted or forced to raise costs to consumers because of "frivolous" law suits. Then, when the American people woke out of their slumber they discovered that even when a company....a pharmaceutical for example....deliberately produced dangerous drugs they knew would harm and even kill a significant number of people, they buried the negative data, got their drugs on the market, and even in the rare examples like the Vioxx Debacle, the producer ended up paying less in damages than what they earned in profits while that lethal pain-killing drug was on the market!

Just listening to the second part of a Media Roots report by Abby Martin down in Houston, talking to people living in the disaster zones..where they were already contaminated by dangerous air pollutants and runoffs and 'superfund' sites, and FEMA and the Government at large, are doing nothing to determine the toxicity of the floodwaters and what's been left behind in their homes.

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The oil and chemical companies who've allowed their contaminants to poison people living near floodzones. Instead, they gave them a grace period to dump as many toxins into the environment during a no monitoring period that will have long-lasting effects on most of the people living in the eastern part of the City of Houston. The oil-funded politicians and regulatory officials have already re-written laws that will reduce or eliminate any liabilities the worst corporate actors have committed..so, crony capitalism is and will continue to be very profitable for a few in Texas, who've taken away the risk to themselves while offloading it on to the commons for everyone else to pay for and deal with!
so isn't Tort reform something that is done by the political class??
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 02:27 PM   #132
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so isn't Tort reform something that is done by the political class??
How about getting back on the point of Nazi racism. If you want to talk about this kind of crap, start a thread about it. Don't sully up my thread.
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Capitalism has killed millions of ppl. Why is this so hard for liberals to accept?

I agree Gordy and it's true. many innocent people died in the old colonies of Portugal

because of the capitalist

if the world knew the massacres that the Portuguese did in Portuguese Africa???

did similar things to the Nazis or worse I do not say this for pleasure, I say this because nobody wants to assume the reality about the Portuguese who practiced in the colonial wars
tortures that the Portuguese make to blacks
with the hammer and nails, preached on the heads of the blacks
gave injections with air
cut their heads
living blacks tied to a raft were thrown into the rivers where they had corcodils and were eaten alive
raped women men and killed children.
is the real history of portugal from 1961 to 1974 now imagine the ancient times.
speak of these real stories is taboo in Portugal is to tell the truths that the Portuguese made in Portuguese Africa
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Old November 4th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #134
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Capitalism has killed millions of ppl. Why is this so hard for liberals to accept?

I agree Gordy and it's true. many innocent people died in the old colonies of Portugal

because of the capitalist

if the world knew the massacres that the Portuguese did in Portuguese Africa???

did similar things to the Nazis or worse I do not say this for pleasure, I say this because nobody wants to assume the reality about the Portuguese who practiced in the colonial wars
tortures that the Portuguese make to blacks
with the hammer and nails, preached on the heads of the blacks
gave injections with air
cut their heads
living blacks tied to a raft were thrown into the rivers where they had corcodils and were eaten alive
raped women men and killed children.
is the real history of portugal from 1961 to 1974 now imagine the ancient times.
speak of these real stories is taboo in Portugal is to tell the truths that the Portuguese made in Portuguese Africa
Communism killed far more. As for the Portuguese killing negroes in Africa, some would say that they didn't kill enough of them. Those negroes believed in witches and were cannibals. As well as slavery. What do you think of negro ideas about witches and eating other people. Or making slaves of other people. It is very difficult to kill an idea. Especially one that is part of your societies history and identity. It is far easier to just kill those with such ideas. Also, when did these things happen. When did the genocide in Uganda happen. And who carried that out. Now that you have been set on the right path, any views about what I said in my thread?
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Old November 4th, 2017, 06:03 PM   #135
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Capitalism has killed millions of ppl. Why is this so hard for liberals to accept?

I agree Gordy and it's true. many innocent people died in the old colonies of Portugal

because of the capitalist

if the world knew the massacres that the Portuguese did in Portuguese Africa???

did similar things to the Nazis or worse I do not say this for pleasure, I say this because nobody wants to assume the reality about the Portuguese who practiced in the colonial wars
tortures that the Portuguese make to blacks
with the hammer and nails, preached on the heads of the blacks
gave injections with air
cut their heads
living blacks tied to a raft were thrown into the rivers where they had corcodils and were eaten alive
raped women men and killed children.
is the real history of portugal from 1961 to 1974 now imagine the ancient times.
speak of these real stories is taboo in Portugal is to tell the truths that the Portuguese made in Portuguese Africa
Yea the Portuguese, the French, the Boers in South Africa, and the Belgians were fucking monsters. Their actions in the third world have consistently been deplorable. Which is why I'm happy that Europe is in the shitty state it's in today.

But the West completely ignores this part of history in order to continue this foolish "White man's burden" historical narrative.

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Yea the Portuguese, the French, the Boers in South Africa, and the Belgians were fucking monsters. Their actions in the third world have consistently been deplorable. Which is why I'm happy that Europe is in the shitty state it's in today.
I think the Belgians were the worst of the lot that you mentioned. They didn't even exist as a State until 1830 and they wasted no time in jumping on the European colonizing bandwagon. The Congo alone was 76 times the size of Belgium. They had the gall to name it the "Free State of Congo".

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How extraordinary it was to discover, then, that one of this small state’s kings was also one of history’s greatest mass murderers. Leopold II (1835-1909) wanted his country to join the league of European empires, but the Belgian state refused to finance its part in western Europe’s expensive scramble for Africa. So they outsourced the task to Leopold, who used personal diplomacy to convince the European powers to grant him control of a large portion of the Congo basin. He promised to bring civilisation to the so-called dark continent.

Christened the Congo Free State in 1885, Leopold’s playground was an astonishing 76 times the size of Belgium. Comprised largely of unmapped jungle, it was initially a huge financial burden. But when worldwide demand for rubber boomed, Leopold cashed in. Congolese workers were sent out into the jungle to slash down vines and layer their bodies with rubber latex. Later they would scrape it off their skin – often taking flesh and hair with it. The work was labour-intensive and injurious to health; the only economical way to collect it was via the forced mobilisation of Congolese society. The Congo Free State evolved from a vanity possession into a slave plantation.

Leopold’s hell operated by an insane logic. Villages were set quotas of rubber and the gendarmerie were sent in to collect it – a process that was sped up by looting, arson and rape. If a village failed to reach its quota hostages would be taken and shot. To ensure that the gendarmerie didn’t waste their bullets hunting for food, they were required to produce the severed hands of victims. As a consequence a trade in severed hands developed among the villagers and those police that couldn’t reach their quotas.

The most famous account of Leopold’s Congo is Joseph Conrad’s novel Heart of Darkness (1899). With its grisly, bloody imagery, one might imagine that Conrad exaggerated the awfulness of the regime. In fact the cold details of missionary journals make even more horrifying reading. William Henry Sheppard, a Presbyterian missionary, recalled in his diary passing by more than a dozen burned villages. He was taken to the headquarters of a gendarmerie recruit called Mlumba Nkusa, described by Sheppard as ‘a most repulsive looking man’ because his teeth were filed into sharp points, his eyebrows were shaven and his eyelashes plucked out. Leopold had demanded that Mlumba collect 60 slaves and a huge amount of rubber, but only eight slaves and 2,500 balls of rubber had been gathered. ‘I think we killed between 80 and 90,’ said Mlumba of the local workers. He took Sheppard to a hut reserved for the rape of hostages and to another for the preservation of collected hands. Sheppard counted 81 hands hanging over the fire.

The Congolese horror ended when international outrage compelled the Belgian state to take control of the colony in 1908. Estimates for the number of people killed range between two and 15 million, easily putting Leopold in the top ten of history’s mass murderers. When he died in 1909 the king’s funeral cortege was booed.

Conceptually Leopold’s reign of terror was a bridge between the imperialism of the 19th century and the totalitarianism of the 20th. Like most other empires it began as an exercise in piracy. But the sheer scale of the terror, the role of bureaucracy and the near-genocidal numbers of dead draw comparisons with Hitler’s Lebensraum and Stalin’s war on the Kulaks. The motive was greed rather than ideology, but the organised slaughter and the racist assumptions behind it make it recognisable to those old enough to remember the siege of Sarajevo or the Rwandan genocide. It is a reminder of the many forgotten horrors that lace the narrative of imperialism. The problems that African nations have endured since independence should be contextualised by the lingering trauma of colonisation at its most exploitative. Perhaps its greatest evil was that it concentrated power over so many into the hands of so few – allowing one wretched Belgian to ravage a continent.
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And as for the Boers, did you know that the Dutch was the only European power to go around all the Arab and African middlemen and went directly to the source and captured their own Africans for the Chattel slave trade?
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National Socialism are Racism.
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The capitalists are nationalists or liberals across this world instead for Socialists and Communist.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 02:59 PM   #139
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I think the Belgians were the worst of the lot that you mentioned. They didn't even exist as a State until 1830 and they wasted no time in jumping on the European colonizing bandwagon. The Congo alone was 76 times the size of Belgium. They had the gall to name it the "Free State of Congo".



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And as for the Boers, did you know that the Dutch was the only European power to go around all the Arab and African middlemen and went directly to the source and captured their own Africans for the Chattel slave trade?
There are those out there who would say you are fukin high. On a completely separate topic, look at South Africa under apartheid. Many South African companies hired negroes. I can guarantee you that those darkies were glad to have the employment. There was no need to go out and capture slaves. There were long lines of negroes who would have been more than happy to take any job vacancy that opened up.
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