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Old October 18th, 2017, 02:08 PM   #11
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They were fleeing war, not capitalism. Ironically, it was Communist uprisings in many of those cases. Eritrea is a mandated one party state. Where have we seen that before?


That is a very subjective number. It is subject to your opinion. Communism has killed possibly upwards of 150 million people in the last century.

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Sorry to butt in. But I had to remark on one of the things you posted. You speak of 30 million also dying because of communism. From what I hear, something around that number died in China just from starvation. Let alone war. Does your number include that? And for most of the deaths due to communists, both you and gordy are responsible. Because no doubt you both support what the U.S. did in WW II. And if you support any person or country responsible for any deed, that makes you equally as responsible.

If we hadn't supported Russia in WW II, the communist forces in China probably wouldn't have gained power. No doubt they did so with the help of the Russian communists that we backed. And if we hadn't backed Russia, there probably have been no Korean war. Or Vietnamese war. That is what the 4.1 trillion dollars we spent on WW II bought us. And with the shit now going on with the muslims, we're still being played for saps.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:06 PM   #12
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Calculate all of the people who have died in sweatshops, during the Slave Trade, colonialist wars, suicide, and drug addiction in the past 150 years. Pretty sure that's a lot more than communism.
That is a very silly theory gordy. You are much better than that. That is like blaming life for death.
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Sorry to butt in. But I had to remark on one of the things you posted. You speak of 30 million also dying because of communism. From what I hear, something around that number died in China just from starvation. Let alone war. Does your number include that? And for most of the deaths due to communists, both you and gordy are responsible. Because no doubt you both support what the U.S. did in WW II. And if you support any person or country responsible for any deed, that makes you equally as responsible.

If we hadn't supported Russia in WW II, the communist forces in China probably wouldn't have gained power. No doubt they did so with the help of the Russian communists that we backed. And if we hadn't backed Russia, there probably have been no Korean war. Or Vietnamese war. That is what the 4.1 trillion dollars we spent on WW II bought us. And with the shit now going on with the muslims, we're still being played for saps.
I dont support Socialism or Fascism. Any ism that requires a totalitarian government to implement and enforce is a bad idea.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 04:16 PM   #14
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They were fleeing war, not capitalism. Ironically, it was Communist uprisings in many of those cases. Eritrea is a mandated one party state. Where have we seen that before?
Nope. Those are all capitalist countries. No war in Haiti, but you did have poverty and exploitation.

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That is a very subjective number. It is subject to your opinion. Communism has killed possibly upwards of 150 million people in the last century.

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Most people in Communist countries died from famine, government repression, and failed policies.

What do any of those things have to do with Communism as an ideology?

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Not that I support capitalism, they didn't kill people in the same way. It makes a difference. From your avatar, I take it you're a negro. You should become a supporter of National Socialism. I saw an interview of another black person who has. You can see it to by going to your browser and entering into it, "Black taxi driver defends wearing swastika armband."
I'm not watching that shit. You support genocide as a principle I don't want anything to do with that shit. You're my enemy.
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That is a very silly theory gordy. You are much better than that. That is like blaming life for death.
All of those things either fueled or are symptoms of capitalism.
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Nope. Those are all capitalist countries. No war in Haiti, but you did have poverty and exploitation.
You are wrong. Those might be capitalist countries, but they were in turmoil and civil war from mostly Communist uprisings.

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Most people in Communist countries died from famine, government repression, and failed policies.

What do any of those things have to do with Communism as an ideology?
That is not counting those people. People always die of starvation and famine and government repression in any Socialist state.

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I'm not watching that shit. You support genocide as a principle I don't want anything to do with that shit. You're my enemy.
I dont blame you

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You are wrong. Those might be capitalist countries, but they were in turmoil and civil war from mostly Communist uprisings.
There were no communist uprisings in Haiti or Eritrea.

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That is not counting those people. People always die of starvation and famine and government repression in any Socialist state.
People die of "starvation and famine" in capitalist countries as well. It's a little something called the human condition.

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All of those things either fueled or are symptoms of capitalism.
Before the industrial revolution the human life expectancy was a fraction of what it is today. People in rural areas had litters of children as many died before before they were even put to work in the fields. Up until the teetotalers people were basicly drunk all of the time. Back in the time of kings booze was as common if not more so than water. Through capitalism more people have been freed from real poverty than ever in the known history of the world. Yeah, things are still fucked up, people exploit other people no matter what side of the wealth spectrum they are on the strong prey on the weak. It is human nature. It is shitty but true. The majority of the poor in our nation are still in the 1% world wide wealth. You know as well as i do that the common problem throughout history is the state not the free exchange of goods and services between willing parties.

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Before the industrial revolution the human life expectancy was a fraction of what it is today. People in rural areas had litters of children as many died before before they were even put to work in the fields. Up until the teetotalers people were basicly drunk all of the time. Back in the time of kings booze was as common if not more so than water. Through capitalism more people have been freed from real poverty than ever in the known history of the world. Yeah, things are still fucked up, people exploit other people no matter what side of the wealth spectrum they are on the strong prey on the weak. It is human nature. It is shitty but true. The majority of the poor in our nation are still in the 1% world wide. You know as well as i do that the common problem throughout history is the state not the free exchange of goods and services between willing parties.
If more people have been freed by capitalism than any other system, then why is most of the world still poor?

I honestly don't give a shit (existentialism ftw), but it is definitely important to think critically about all of this. How does it make sense to blame "Communism" for starvation, repression, etc. -- but we can't blame capitalism for the exact same circumstances? It doesn't really make sense.

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If more people have been freed by capitalism than any other system, then why is most of the world still poor?

I honestly don't give a shit (existentialism ftw), but it is definitely important to think critically about all of this. How does it make sense to blame "Communism" for starvation, repression, etc. -- but we can't blame capitalism for the exact same circumstances? It doesn't really make sense.
The communist political theory and Marxism is what people are blaming and they are correct. Tje economic system would be socialist.
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