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Old October 26th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #1
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What White Nationalism Gets Right (old article)

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...y-statues.html

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Until Tuesday I believed the organizers of the rally had failed in their goal to make their movement more appealing to average white Americans. The rally superimposed Jefferson’s image on that of a pseudo K.K.K. rally and brought the overlap between Jefferson and white nationalist ideas to mind for anyone looking to find them. But the horrific violence that followed seemed to hurt their cause.

And then President Trump intervened. His comments supporting the rally gave new purpose to the white nationalist movement, unlike any endorsement it has ever received. Among its followers, being at that rally will become something to brag about, and some people who didn’t want to be associated with extremism will now see the cause as more mainstream. When the president doesn’t provide condemnation that he has been pressed to give, what message does that send but encouragement?

The United States was founded as a white nationalist country, and that legacy remains today. Things have improved from the radical promotion of white people at the expense of all others, which has persisted for most of our history, yet most of us have not accepted the extent to which white identity guides so much of what we still do. Sometimes it seems that the white nationalists are most honest about the very real foundation of white supremacy upon which our nation was built.
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The United States was founded as a white nationalist country, and that legacy remains today.

Nope, that legacy does not "remain" today. There is just as much "racism" coming from the ethnic portions of this Nation as anywhere else, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:08 PM   #4
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I don't see how what he said was wrong though. Was the US not founded on White nationalism?
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"The United States was founded as a white nationalist country, and that legacy remains today".

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Hamilton, Madison, and Jay were all nationalists in their own way. The Constitution put that to rest. We are a Republic with a Federal form of government. Although, some would say, we are well on our way to a National government.
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I'll probably get blasted for this. But you're not wrong here. I am an over 50 white male that grew up in the south, the deep south. I recognize that there IS white privilege. Sadly, most people are in denial on this subject. Most have simply never looked. They never question. They float thru their lives in their Prozac or oxicontin induced haze and never actually see the world as it is. I do at least recognize it. Can't say I completely succeed in not taking advantage of it !

As comedian Robert Wuhl said in "Assume the Position with Mr. Wuhl" "This country was founded by a bunch of rich white men that didn't want to pay taxes, and not much has changed" is SO true.

This country was founded on white privilege. While we've come a very long way we're not there yet.

However, I have to add, that the black community does need to make a few strides themselves. There's an old saying about the first sign of mental disorder is when you keep doing the same thing while expecting a different outcome.

I fully realize the black community has ample reason to be afraid of the police. However the reality is that most of the violent crime IS committed in the black community, ON the black community and BY the black community ? THE number one killer of young black men is young black men.

When it's YOUR child lying dead in the street you're accusing the police of being racist because they haven't solved the crime and arrested the shooter. Yet when it's someone else's child dead on the street you're walking around in a t-shirt that says DON'T BE A SNITCH and accusing the police of harassment while they're trying to investigate the murder.

I don't have all the answers. But what I do see is that while whites need to recognize that privilege does exist, the black community can't continue to blame ALL their problems on that privilege.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, yet they are nearly HALF (48%) of ALL murder victims. 96% of those victims were killed by other blacks.

Yeah this country was founded on white privilege. But it's not a one way street. At some point the black community is going to have to step up and decide how they want to handle the issues within their own neighborhoods.

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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:24 PM   #7
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I'll probably get blasted for this. But you're not wrong here. I am an over 50 white male that grew up in the south, the deep south. I recognize that there IS white privilege. Sadly, most people are in denial on this subject. Most have simply never looked. They never question. They float thru their lives in their Prozac or oxicontin induced haze and never actually see the world as it is. I do at least recognize it. Can't say I completely succeed in not taking advantage of it !

As comedian Robert Wuhl said in "Assume the Position with Mr. Wuhl" "This country was founded by a bunch of rich white men that didn't want to pay taxes, and not much has changed" is SO true.

This country was founded on white privilege. While we've come a very long way we're not there yet.

However, I have to add, that the black community does need to make a few strides themselves. There's an old saying about the first sign of mental disorder is when you keep doing the same thing while expecting a different outcome.

I fully realize the black community has ample reason to be afraid of the police. However the reality is that most of the violent crime IS committed in the black community, ON the black community and BY the black community ? THE number one killer of young black men is young black men.

When it's YOUR child lying dead in the street you're accusing the police of being racist because they haven't solved the crime and arrested the shooter. Yet when it's someone else's child dead on the street you're walking around in a t-shirt that says DON'T BE A SNITCH and accusing the police of harassment while they're trying to investigate the murder.

I don't have all the answers. But what I do see is that while whites need to recognize that privilege does exist, the black community can't continue to blame ALL their problems on that privilege.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, yet they are nearly HALF (48%) of ALL murder victims. 96% of those victims were killed by other blacks.

Yeah this country was founded on white privilege. But it's not a one way street. At some point the black community is going to have to step up and decide how they want to handle the issues within their own neighborhoods.

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I don't disagree. We all have agency in the situation -- something both White folks and Black folks need to understand. I don't necessarily have all the answers either.

There's a Frantz Fanon quote I posted on here a little while ago that basically sums up these sentiments:

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The Negro enslaved by his inferiority, the white man enslaved by his superiority alike behave in accordance with a neurotic orientation.

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I don't disagree. We all have agency in the situation -- something both White folks and Black folks need to understand. I don't necessarily have all the answers either.

There's a Frantz Fanon quote I posted on here a little while ago that basically sums up these sentiments:
That's a damned good quote and OH SO accurate.
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That's a damned good quote and OH SO accurate.
If you're interested, you should read Fanon. He might be a little radical for your tastes, but "Black Skin, White Masks" (the book that this quote comes from) really opened my eyes to a lot of the lies I believed about myself. It explains White supremacy from a psychoanalytic perspective. White ppl who really want to understand racism will enjoy it imo.

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If you're interested, you should read Fanon. He might be a little radical for your tastes, but "Black Skin, White Masks" (the book that this quote comes from) really opened my eyes to a lot of the lies I believed about myself. It explains White supremacy from a psychoanalytic perspective. White ppl who really want to understand racism will enjoy it imo.
I'm intrigued by the comment, "opened your eyes to the lies you believed about yourself" Care to elaborate ??
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