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Old February 23rd, 2018, 06:55 AM   #11
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Our enemies?

The gun grabbing socialists?


Christ on a CRUTCH! Are you PEOPLE (YES I SAID YOU PEOPLE) impaired in some way?? Can you see, hear, read, comprehend ANYTHING?

Clearing my throat....WE THE PEOPLE (on the other side of the argument) ARE NOT proposing a BAN ON GUNS. CAN you hear me now?? NOW??

Obama didn't take your guns. For 8 years Obama repeated this: WE aren't coming for your guns.
The Democrats didn't take your guns. NO ONE took your guns, IS TAKING your guns, or is suggesting a...and here comes the BIG word BAN on all guns.

For the LOVE OF GOD. Stop repeating such crap....because you know and I know and everyone with an ounce of brains knows........YOU GET to have GUNS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg

*Footnote: Please note that Obama isn't using a teleprompter, a piece of paper with HINTS of what to say, and he uses "grown-up" vocabulary.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 07:38 AM   #12
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Christ on a CRUTCH! Are you PEOPLE (YES I SAID YOU PEOPLE) impaired in some way?? Can you see, hear, read, comprehend ANYTHING?

Clearing my throat....WE THE PEOPLE (on the other side of the argument) ARE NOT proposing a BAN ON GUNS. CAN you hear me now?? NOW??

Obama didn't take your guns. For 8 years Obama repeated this: WE aren't coming for your guns.
The Democrats didn't take your guns. NO ONE took your guns, IS TAKING your guns, or is suggesting a...and here comes the BIG word BAN on all guns.

For the LOVE OF GOD. Stop repeating such crap....because you know and I know and everyone with an ounce of brains knows........YOU GET to have GUNS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg

*Footnote: Please note that Obama isn't using a teleprompter, a piece of paper with HINTS of what to say, and he uses "grown-up" vocabulary.
In a way I think you're correct, or at least somewhat on the right track. Yes, Obama didn't add to the already existing gun grabbing laws as far as I know (but I wonder what role the Fast & Furious scandal had in undermining anything he might have tried to do). From what I can tell, it's the Republicans and the NRA who are actually responsible for many of the gun (ban/restriction/mandate) laws we currently have, and even now they continue to support such laws.

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was signed into law by (then) President George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Even now Trump has called for banning bump stocks. The Republican party isn't the party of the 2nd Amendment (not that the Democratic party is) & that's one of the reasons I don't exactly consider myself a Republican.

There are folks out there who want to ban guns, even if you don't happen to be one of them, but that's not the (only) issue. The issue is that there are already existing gun laws that despite their relatively limited reach, cause horrendous devastation and need to be eliminated. They're not even constitutional anyways, yet somehow they are put in place by legislative bodies, enforced by executive branches, and permitted to remain in effect by the judicial branch of government.

Any law that places any sort of ban, mandate, or restriction on the keeping and bearing of arms goes contrary to the 2nd Amendment; it is not really necessary for a SCOTUS ruling to tell us this because the 2nd Amendment is written in plain language anyone can read (not to mention the logic behind the motive & existence of the 2nd Amendment), just like a SCOTUS ruling is not necessary to tell us that 2 + 2 = 4 (because we can test this and determine it on our own).
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In a way I think you're correct, or at least somewhat on the right track. Yes, Obama didn't add to the already existing gun grabbing laws as far as I know (but I wonder what role the Fast & Furious scandal had in undermining anything he might have tried to do). From what I can tell, it's the Republicans and the NRA who are actually responsible for many of the gun (ban/restriction/mandate) laws we currently have, and even now they continue to support such laws.

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was signed into law by (then) President George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Even now Trump has called for banning bump stocks. The Republican party isn't the party of the 2nd Amendment (not that the Democratic party is) & that's one of the reasons I don't exactly consider myself a Republican.

There are folks out there who want to ban guns, even if you don't happen to be one of them, but that's not the (only) issue. The issue is that there are already existing gun laws that despite their relatively limited reach, cause horrendous devastation and need to be eliminated. They're not even constitutional anyways, yet somehow they are put in place by legislative bodies, enforced by executive branches, and permitted to remain in effect by the judicial branch of government.

Any law that places any sort of ban, mandate, or restriction on the keeping and bearing of arms goes contrary to the 2nd Amendment; it is not really necessary for a SCOTUS ruling to tell us this because the 2nd Amendment is written in plain language anyone can read (not to mention the logic behind the motive & existence of the 2nd Amendment), just like a SCOTUS ruling is not necessary to tell us that 2 + 2 = 4 (because we can test this and determine it on our own).

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Christ on a CRUTCH! Are you PEOPLE (YES I SAID YOU PEOPLE) impaired in some way?? Can you see, hear, read, comprehend ANYTHING?

Clearing my throat....WE THE PEOPLE (on the other side of the argument) ARE NOT proposing a BAN ON GUNS. CAN you hear me now?? NOW??

Obama didn't take your guns. For 8 years Obama repeated this: WE aren't coming for your guns.
The Democrats didn't take your guns. NO ONE took your guns, IS TAKING your guns, or is suggesting a...and here comes the BIG word BAN on all guns.

For the LOVE OF GOD. Stop repeating such crap....because you know and I know and everyone with an ounce of brains knows........YOU GET to have GUNS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg

*Footnote: Please note that Obama isn't using a teleprompter, a piece of paper with HINTS of what to say, and he uses "grown-up" vocabulary.

So, are the gun grabbing socialists enemies in your opinion?


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Not all arms - semi automatic weapons, which exist solely to kill people.

You do understand that there are caveats to every right in the Bill of Rights, correct?

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That's just the trust fund socialist. If you want other posts on this very site where people.have made that claim or Clips of leftists polititions also making it i can provide them for you.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 08:44 AM   #15
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Our enemies?

The gun grabbing socialists?
Hook, line, sinker........

No, the people who pit us against each other to keep themselves and their activities hidden.

Those people.

Sometimes you see this. Sometimes you don't. That's probably true for me too.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 08:51 AM   #16
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Hook, line, sinker........

No, the people who pit us against each other to keep themselves and their activities hidden.

Those people.

Sometimes you see this. Sometimes you don't. That's probably true for me too.
How does that at all apply to this thread, your post or anything contextually here at all?

Here it is again incase you forgot.

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It's so wonderful how easy Americans make it for our enemies.

This machine and the technology that it helps promote removes both the state and the corporations from the equation when it comes to personal protection.

This is personal liberty at its finest.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 09:20 AM   #17
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This is silly, a major fail. It's stupid propaganda with so many fallacies I don't know where to begin.

For one thing, it's analogous to saying that freedom of speech laws need to be changed because we now have the Internet, or freedom of religion laws need to be changed because there are now non-Christians here in the US. Should we change the constitutional requirements concerning warrants for searches and seizures because new types of things & effects exist today that didn't exist back when the Bill of Rights was written? Would that make sense?

The main thing is that it doesn't matter what the present-day state of technology is or what new things exist now. What matters is that the good guys can be on par with the bad guys by not having laws (that the bad guys aren't going to care about anyways) preventing the good guys from being on par with the bad guys.

If spears & shields are the latest form of technology, both the bad guys and the good guys are equally capable of obtaining spears & shields, unless a law banning spears & shields is created, then only the bad guys will have spears and shields (not that they'd need shields) and the good guys will be defenseless against spears & won't be able to throw spears back at the bad guys.

Same goes with the bow & arrow; same goes with muskets; same goes with semiautomatic pistols, modern day rifles, shotguns, etc. Same goes (when it comes to freedom of the press) with the advancement from the printing press to TV & radio broadcasts.

Does it not occur to folks who make this muskets era argument that at the time the Bill of Rights was written they were fully aware that as time goes by, our technological skills tend to become more advanced? Does it not occur to folks who make this muskets era argument that people aren't as dumb as they want to believe? Should the laws have been changed when technological capabilities advanced from spears to bow & arrow?

What's the mindset, here? It's not as though there's a force of nature that magically prevents the bad guys from having spears & shields; that's not how this universe works. Whoever comes up with these ridiculous arguments doesn't seem very bright.

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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:43 AM   #18
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Christ on a CRUTCH! Are you PEOPLE (YES I SAID YOU PEOPLE) impaired in some way?? Can you see, hear, read, comprehend ANYTHING?

Clearing my throat....WE THE PEOPLE (on the other side of the argument) ARE NOT proposing a BAN ON GUNS. CAN you hear me now?? NOW??

Obama didn't take your guns. For 8 years Obama repeated this: WE aren't coming for your guns.
The Democrats didn't take your guns. NO ONE took your guns, IS TAKING your guns, or is suggesting a...and here comes the BIG word BAN on all guns.

For the LOVE OF GOD. Stop repeating such crap....because you know and I know and everyone with an ounce of brains knows........YOU GET to have GUNS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg

*Footnote: Please note that Obama isn't using a teleprompter, a piece of paper with HINTS of what to say, and he uses "grown-up" vocabulary.
So you do not support banning and confiscation of "assault weapons" ( I detest that term because its a lie)?
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 01:14 PM   #19
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I have been talking about this since i first logged on here. Here is an update.

https://youtu.be/-_ayHfaHCXQ

Spoiler:

The ghost gunner can now mill handnguns.
Yep, & someday nanotech will do something similar - or @ least, be able to fabricate firearms from the appropriate raw materials. But there's still going to be centralized control features - either the 3D fabricators or the design & construction of nanobots. It's not until we get to the point of universal kinds of fabricators (where the 3D printer can copy itself, or better still, produce the next generation of 3D printer), or the nanobots can replicate & design/build universal nanobots - that we really need to be concerned about how traceable a given weapon is.

In the long term, the tracking will simply shift from bullet/rifling/individual weapon ID to inventory & control of the equipment to fabricate individual weapons in a more one-off kind of operation. Forensics is a kind of arms race, between the people who want to operate beyond the law, & the LEA that race to keep up in the technological give & take.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 01:32 PM   #20
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To any and all posters who say, ''HEY CLARA...whatabout"?

I have posted my opinion several times on this subject. I have made myself abundantly clear. Sorry if you missed it the first FIVE times, but I'm not going to repeat myself just because you can't comprehend my arguments.
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