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Old March 6th, 2018, 08:09 PM   #91
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I never once said that women have 'equality' and provided arguments, through observation, to the contrary. Then, it is not me you arguing with by stating that, but rather the cookie-cutter slot you think I belong in.

Women & men both suffer from unique discrimination as well as enjoy unique privileges in differing areas--as well as overlapping parts. Then, it is far more true to characterize this dynamic as:

"Women & men are oppressing each other and themselves"
Ok, if i misunderstood i am sorry. Like i said a few times already, i dont understand your point or where you are coming from, or going to, with these posts.

That and i am suuuuuuuper tired, Tuesdays are the busiest of the week for me. If you want to discuss this in a new thread, i will. Just give me til tomorrow to start
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Old March 6th, 2018, 08:10 PM   #92
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I was wondering if you were going to add your posts from a few months ago about sexual violence against women on college campuses. Omg it was all i could do to not go off on those old posts!
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By all means, do go off on them--I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter
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Old March 6th, 2018, 08:14 PM   #93
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By all means, do go off on them--I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter
ahahahahahaha

Wow, i think that is the first time i got permission to scream here!!!

J/k

Ok, we can talk, but tomorrow at the earliest. Seriously, i have been going all day since 4am, and have to do it again tomorrow, but i work less and my class is shorter too. Sorry, but i am just exhausted now. But i will, and i would look forward to a real discussion, without the need to "go off"!

That would be a change of pace
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Old March 7th, 2018, 06:12 AM   #94
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Good morning everyone. I am in a wonderful mood because I have a sister who has contributed to my doll clothes project, and I have almost completed a granddaughter's St. Patrick Day dress for her doll. I have a week to complete it and clothes for a boy doll and get it all in the mail. I hope over the next 4 years to complete 4 collections of clothes for the dolls. The first collection is holidays, then storybook characters, then history, then cultures. I look forward to entering the collections in the fair.

I am quite sure Lyzza cannot relate to what I am saying and neither do I expect the guys to get it. But Lyzza's notion that the traditional woman never gets to develop her skills and talents is just wrong. There is so much joy to have when engaging with the family in a creative way and engaging with the larger community at the fair. It would be wonderful if anyone understood what I am talking about enough for the good of being a full-time homemaker to discussed in this thread.

I do not want to ruin my good feelings this morning by reading unhappy arguing. If anyone has said anything that leads to good feelings, please call it to my attention and I will check it out. I know some people are thinking they are just being realistic and everyone should understand life as they do. Some people are sure the glass is half empty and others are sure the glass is half full. I think the truth depends too much on if we are miserable people, or if we have discovered how to be happy, despite the occasional unpleasant things that happen. For sure the subject of this post is not college rapes but Dick and Jane books that were early readers teaching children how to read and cultural values, is on topic.

Surely some people get much happiness from their jobs, and there is also much happiness to be had in family. The full-time homemaker's job was to nurture good health and happiness and I think these women have great value.
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By all means, do go off on them--I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter

Please, not in this thread. Some thinking is like poison polluting our minds and making us sick. Surely bad things happen, but defining our lives and what makes people valuable with misfortune and crime does not seem mentally healthy.

I can not think of family values without contrasting shows like "The Little House in the Prairie" with "Star Trek". The original Star Trek very rarely said anything about family. It did address the issue of women being sex objects and valued as sex objects but not as human beings. Can you see the values addressed by "The Little House in the Prairie" and "Star Trek" are totally different values?

I would say what we value is what we learn to value, and our education and media teach us how we are valued and what has value to us, right? I think if we want good wives and mothers, we need to value good wives and good husbands, good mothers and good fathers. We all want to be valued. We might have to reach back, before industrialization to see independent families working together for the family and community?
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Please, not in this thread. Some thinking is like poison polluting our minds and making us sick. Surely bad things happen, but defining our lives and what makes people valuable with misfortune and crime does not seem mentally healthy.
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The topic of University Policy concerning Sexual Assault can certainly be had on a separate thread. This topic is very relevant to current M-F social dynamics as it is one indicator of where power lies in our current society on this front--amongst many other indicators, of course (not all of which point in the same direction).
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I can not think of family values without contrasting shows like "The Little House in the Prairie" with "Star Trek". The original Star Trek very rarely said anything about family. It did address the issue of women being sex objects and valued as sex objects but not as human beings. Can you see the values addressed by "The Little House in the Prairie" and "Star Trek" are totally different values?
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I am very familiar with Star Trek, though I have never seen The Little House in the Prairie.
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I admittedly jumped into this Thread after it had already been going for some time, not catching up on the prior posts before responding. Then, I am not currently familiar with your position(s) in connection to this topic, and will have to go back and read to catch-up.
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I admittedly jumped into this Thread after it had already been going for some time, not catching up on the prior posts before responding. Then, I am not currently familiar with your position(s) in connection to this topic, and will have to go back and read to catch-up.
You appear to be more concerned with the topic than previous posters. Or should I say, previous protesters who had an ax to grind. There is no need to read through the ugly bickering that appears to have destroyed friendships and was destroying this thread. For sure there is no objectivity to the topic and a lot of false assumptions and accusations.

Here is a youtube introduction to Little House on the Prairie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BudOLvWjQI0

We once had many shows based on traditional families with children, and I find the change in TV programming, catering to young singles, interesting. I don't think there would be much interest in the old shows, especially not for people living in large cities who will see the old shows as pretty hokey. Me too, we are perhaps more sophisticated today and demand more of the media. Personally, I watch college lectures borrowed from the library and the occasional documentary but find regular TV programming repulsive. However, comparing past programming with the present and our ideas of being ideal men and women is totally worth our time.

I also like to question who or what is driving this change? Has such a change happened before in history? I think it has.

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Lyzza, here is a commercial for you

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