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Old February 26th, 2018, 09:26 AM   #21
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What?

No seriously, I dont see the connection you are trying to make, especially since there are so many other things that have affected the earning power or the middle and working classes. Seriously, trying to tie feminism in with the decline in wages and the military industrial complex is a very very very big stretch.

I am not even joking.
What have either you or Clara done to check the correctness of what I have said? We are facing serious problems and a failure to check the correctness of what I am saying, is irresponsible. It is like being told the well is polluted and drinking the water anyway because there are other reasons for getting sick.

On the other hand, my effort to find helpful links has been most frustrating so I can sympathize with not even trying. However, here are a few basic questions that are easy to answer.

What happens to wages and benefits when there are too few people to do the job?

What happens to wages and benefits when there are more than enough people to do the job?

When few people can afford homes, what happens to the cost of housing?

When plenty of people can afford homes, what happens to the cost of housing?

I am not finding the simple links I hoped to find to answer those simple questions. Trying to find an answer to what happens when the workforce is doubled, there appears to be zero sites speaking of what women's liberation did to wages, but there are arguments about what immigration does to wages. Over a hundred years ago we banded Asians from our country because they lowered wages. Today it is those Mexicans that lower wages. The arguments that flooding the labor market with women lowers wages is no longer news, but not that ago it was an issue on everyone's minds.

So here is one concerned with immigrants lowering wages. We just need to think not that long ago it was women who were the immigrants into a male labor force and yes, in the USSR and US this flood of workers increased productivity and lowered wages.

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Immigration: Do Immigrants Lower Wages? | Socialist Review
So Milton Friedman, the Nobel prize-winning economist who died last month, was famous for insisting that economies have a "natural" rate of unemployment. Any attempt to create full employment, he argued, was doomed to cause inflation and instability.
Doubling the workforce leads to inflation, and inflation makes life much harder for low-income people, and there are not enough high paying jobs to absorb all the qualified people needing work. But I am more concerned about what this change in the workforce has done to our children and our communities and our future.


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What America Lost as Women Entered the Workforce - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-lost/500537/
Sep 19, 2016 - In the years since women's liberation, this kind of civic engagement has dropped precipitously. The kind of community involvement .... Evidence also suggests that low-income Americans are the least likely to volunteer their time, while middle-class Americans are the most likely. “I work,” she said. “I just don't ...
Here is my biggest concern with our increased divorced rate and working mothers. I am concerned because my parents divorced when I was 4 and I didn't see father again until I was 18. My mother worked for low female wages and from age 4 to 8 I grew up in a daycare center. At age 8 I was pretty much on my own, free from the institution of daycare. I remember my mother being tired and overburdened, and this is followed by memories I don't want to remember. So I am fighting for our children and the future of our country. I have faith that science will make a big difference, but before this will happen, feminists need to consider what has happened to our families, our culture, and our children. We have to stop fighting each other and resolve some serious problems.

This youtbue takes time, are our children worth your time? Do you want to reduce welfare and prison and medical expenses? Then we might consider the value of the traditional woman who cared for everyone without being paid and what being supported by a man had to do with her ability to do what women have done for centuries.

https://www.ted.com/talks/nadine_bur...oss_a_lifetime

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Old March 1st, 2018, 07:42 AM   #22
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Ummmmm, feminists are concerned with race, poverty, war, the environment, healthcare, privilege, LGBTQ, all kinds of things you have conveniently decided to ignore. Or maybe you just dont know anything about feminists..............
How concerned are feminist leaders with issues like war and peace for example, when the annual anti-trump pussyhat marches feature war criminals like Madeline Albright front and center and have NOTHING to say about America's ongoing 7 to 9 foreign wars in any of their speeches? And then I discover today..courtesy of following Caitlin Johnstone that Warhawkillary is firing off her own tweets demanding that dangerous, unstable man in the White House: "Will he continue to ignore&surrender, or protect our country?"
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/h...on-469c58ec452

So, what fucking good does it do to have a Thatcher-clone female wannabe warrior out there trying to act tough and goad Donald Trump into starting full scale nuclear war with Russia...something that appears to be the goal of his military and security handlers behind the scenes?

And oh, btw, in a recent address before the Russian nation, Vladimir Putin declares that Russia will respond to US nuclear attack (mini-nukes be damned) with a nuclear response! Hello WWIII, the world ends at any time without our foreknowledge today...only difference is almost nobody, including fake useless activists are talking about it!

https://www.rt.com/news/420171-nukes...ampaign=chrome
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A civil right is the right to be a woman.
A civil right is the right to be a male....
One of two choices....I don't like just two choices
All of a sudden I need a bathroom.......
I don't like the colors, pink or blue.
One of two choices......I don't like just two choices....
I'm gonna talk to the ACLU about this...
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How concerned are feminist leaders with issues like war and peace for example, when the annual anti-trump pussyhat marches feature war criminals like Madeline Albright front and center and have NOTHING to say about America's ongoing 7 to 9 foreign wars in any of their speeches? And then I discover today..courtesy of following Caitlin Johnstone that Warhawkillary is firing off her own tweets demanding that dangerous, unstable man in the White House: "Will he continue to ignore&surrender, or protect our country?"
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/h...on-469c58ec452

So, what fucking good does it do to have a Thatcher-clone female wannabe warrior out there trying to act tough and goad Donald Trump into starting full scale nuclear war with Russia...something that appears to be the goal of his military and security handlers behind the scenes?

And oh, btw, in a recent address before the Russian nation, Vladimir Putin declares that Russia will respond to US nuclear attack (mini-nukes be damned) with a nuclear response! Hello WWIII, the world ends at any time without our foreknowledge today...only difference is almost nobody, including fake useless activists are talking about it!

https://www.rt.com/news/420171-nukes...ampaign=chrome
Don't worry so much right to left. Don't you know women can spend 15 hours a week with their children and this is equal to being a full-time mother, and we can live as though our earth had unlimited resources, and we can engage in a nuclear war and the sun will still come tomorrow. We are feminist taking the power from those awful men and we are making the world right.



By the way evidently, Lyzza and RNG think the National Defense Education Act is not the federal government intervening with education and my concerns are only my opinion that has nothing to do with facts. And they can know this without even reading the information. Amazing isn't it? And, you know soon the Easter Bunny will come and we can have fun looking for Easter eggs.

Isn't it nice when reality doesn't matter?
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Old March 1st, 2018, 08:23 AM   #25
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Right to Left, how well can we deal with paradox?

Our Statue of Liberty, Lady of Justice and Spirit of America are the three aspects of Athena, Athens patron goddess of Liberty, Justice and the defense of those who stand for liberty and justice. All these female icons carry the Sword of Justice and harken back to the Holy Grail stories and Mother Goddess. Historically female goddesses have gotten credit for our survival and for civilization.

What is a mystery is how we keep suppressing women and empowering aggressive males? These males always support a hierarchy of authority and power. They always cut deals that are unjust to the powerless, in favor of gaining power for themselves. They enslave other men and the injustice is not just against women. Mother Jones organized coal miners and prompted them to act like men, so they put their lives on the line for better working conditions and better pay. They are not the only union people who put their lives on the line and were opposed by police power protecting property rights.

All this is so confusing, but sure my love, we must stop fighting each other and unite. We must end the conflict between races and between men and women and between religious groups, and we must come to understand, democracy is about opposing that old hierarchy of authority and it is about rule by reason, not rule by authority over us. I love democracy and I love being a woman, and I have nothing against a man defending me. I will brandish a sword if I must, but only for liberty and justice, not for control of oil in the mid east or resources in undeveloped countries. Nor do I want to pay for a nuclear war. We must overcome and disperse the Military Industrial Complex, and remember Mother Nature will not tolerate being violated.
Our house has been in a little disarray because of a recent minor flood. With all the cleaning up and moving stuff around, I've lost track of one of the recent books I haven't completed yet: "The Chalice and the Blade" by Riane Eisler.. Eisler's primary focus early on in her career was the excavations of the Minoan and pre-Minoan civilization on the island of Crete, in the Mediterranean.

Ancient Crete is pivotal in understanding the very early stages of cultural and religious life in Greece and Asia Minor, since an unfortunate volcano destroyed and buried so many important artifacts that could later be unearthed/rather than the pattern that occurred in Greece and Turkey, where all evidence of goddess-worship and female priesthoods were wiped out by later patriarchal worship and then ofcourse Christianity and Islam finished the job of erasing all traces of a time when the common religious understanding of the world (universe) was that the Mother Goddess was the creator of all things and sustainer of all life. This understanding long predates any notions of 'civilization' since the very oldest stone artifacts discovered all over the world are the so called "venus" statues...many of which are more than 40,000 years old.

What they represented exactly to the people making them is unknown, but the Minoan Civilization, which preserved the Mother Goddess in its pantheon of deities tells us of a pattern of supplanting the Goddess for male gods and then the supreme male God..a God who has a Son, but doesn't have a Goddess and creates a Son with no Mother! Just sayin modern Christian doctrine shows us what happens when the transition from matrilocal egalitarian societies was a permanent transition to the male dominated, warrior cultures that under all the veneer of civility, still run our world today!

So, all that sayin that we may have some female icons, but these icons...including the sexless Virgin Mother that Catholics worship, are a hollow shell and mostly used as tools by the patriarchs to define what women should aspire to.
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Don't worry so much right to left. Don't know women can spend 15 hours a week with their children and this is equal to being a full-time mother, and we can live as though our earth had unlimited resources, and we can engage in a nuclear war and the sun will still come tomorrow. We are feminist taking the power from those awful men and we are making the world right.

Yes, I was going to add that as soon as Medea Benjamin or one of the other leaders of Code Pink (we haven't heard about since the start of the Iraq Invasion) are invited to speak at one of these pussyhat marches, then I'll believe that this contingent is on the right side of history...until then....
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By the way evidently, Lyzza and RNG think the National Defense Education Act is not the federal government intervening with education and my concerns are only my opinion that has nothing to do with facts. And they can know this without even reading the information. Amazing isn't it? And, you know soon the Easter Bunny will come and we can have fun looking for Easter eggs.

Isn't it nice when reality doesn't matter?
They just represent the Team B of Democrat activists who...if they get their wish, and the Democrats retake the White House and Congress....it will be the same disappointing, unfulfilling crap that led to the revolts under Bill Clinton and later- Obama, where they had no plans or desires to deliver on any real reform, and just welcomed back the usual Republican gridlock so they could get on with pleasing their corporate benefactors! Question now is how many young people are so uninformed of the recent patterns of history that they'll fall for the same bullshit all over again?
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Don't worry so much right to left. Don't know women can spend 15 hours a week with their children and this is equal to being a full-time mother, and we can live as though our earth had unlimited resources, and we can engage in a nuclear war and the sun will still come tomorrow. We are feminist taking the power from those awful men and we are making the world right.



By the way evidently, Lyzza and RNG think the National Defense Education Act is not the federal government intervening with education and my concerns are only my opinion that has nothing to do with facts. And they can know this without even reading the information. Amazing isn't it? And, you know soon the Easter Bunny will come and we can have fun looking for Easter eggs.

Isn't it nice when reality doesn't matter?
Taking part, helping, advancing and supporting may be intervening, but aren't nefarious.

Other than opinion, as I said, you have offered nothing to support your POV.

You keep referring to "facts". Why not list some?

And why is it you who get to define reality?
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Taking part, helping, advancing and supporting may be intervening, but aren't nefarious.

Other than opinion, as I said, you have offered nothing to support your POV.

You keep referring to "facts". Why not list some?

And why is it you who get to define reality?

Duh, because I have the information and you do not.
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Our house has been in a little disarray because of a recent minor flood. With all the cleaning up and moving stuff around, I've lost track of one of the recent books I haven't completed yet: "The Chalice and the Blade" by Riane Eisler.. Eisler's primary focus early on in her career was the excavations of the Minoan and pre-Minoan civilization on the island of Crete, in the Mediterranean.

Ancient Crete is pivotal in understanding the very early stages of cultural and religious life in Greece and Asia Minor, since an unfortunate volcano destroyed and buried so many important artifacts that could later be unearthed/rather than the pattern that occurred in Greece and Turkey, where all evidence of goddess-worship and female priesthoods were wiped out by later patriarchal worship and then ofcourse Christianity and Islam finished the job of erasing all traces of a time when the common religious understanding of the world (universe) was that the Mother Goddess was the creator of all things and sustainer of all life. This understanding long predates any notions of 'civilization' since the very oldest stone artifacts discovered all over the world are the so called "venus" statues...many of which are more than 40,000 years old.

What they represented exactly to the people making them is unknown, but the Minoan Civilization, which preserved the Mother Goddess in its pantheon of deities tells us of a pattern of supplanting the Goddess for male gods and then the supreme male God..a God who has a Son, but doesn't have a Goddess and creates a Son with no Mother! Just sayin modern Christian doctrine shows us what happens when the transition from matrilocal egalitarian societies was a permanent transition to the male dominated, warrior cultures that under all the veneer of civility, still run our world today!

So, all that sayin that we may have some female icons, but these icons...including the sexless Virgin Mother that Catholics worship, are a hollow shell and mostly used as tools by the patriarchs to define what women should aspire to.
I will have to back to you. It is time for run. There was another civilization were had what looks like equality, at the time Athena was very patriarchal.
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Duh, because I have the information and you do not.
You have opinion, not fact. There is a difference.
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