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Old March 6th, 2018, 12:33 PM   #71
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I dissagree w/ this movement to separate people into little categories and then pitting them against each other. I dissagree w/ cultural Marxism where instead of the haves and have-nots we now have the oppressor and the oppressed. I dissagree w/ identity politics and intersectionality.


Women is magical and should be treated as such. Mother is life and to not acknowledge that is ridiculous. It pains me to see some women publicly shun women for choosing to be mother over a career. Just as it is frustrating to hear the same wage gap and that tbe modern american women is oppressed. They are not. Everyone has challenges. Life is not easy. If is not supposed to be but one persons difficulties are no more important ar trying just because they were born w/ XX or XY or more melanin or less or whatever.

This crazy identity politics is a major problem. People are not communicating and empathizing w/ one and other. They are competing for victim points and trying to one up each other. It is sad
Ummmmmmmmm............

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I dissagree w/ this movement to separate people into little categories and then pitting them against each other. I dissagree w/ cultural Marxism where instead of the haves and have-nots we now have the oppressor and the oppressed. I dissagree w/ identity politics and intersectionality.


Women is magical and should be treated as such. Mother is life and to not acknowledge that is ridiculous. It pains me to see some women publicly shun women for choosing to be mother over a career. Just as it is frustrating to hear the same wage gap and that tbe modern american women is oppressed. They are not. Everyone has challenges. Life is not easy. If is not supposed to be but one persons difficulties are no more important ar trying just because they were born w/ XX or XY or more melanin or less or whatever.

This crazy identity politics is a major problem. People are not communicating and empathizing w/ one and other. They are competing for victim points and trying to one up each other. It is sad
Well, I really like you saying "Mother is life". I like the pagan notion of a mother goddess. Or Gia our earth mother. During the Hippie days, I liked to think of myself as associated with the earth mother, making bread and growing food and caring for children. That was right before Women's Lib and boy, was that a crash going from the mother goddess and ideal woman to "just a housewife". I don't think being married to a cooperation is an improvement. I ruled my home. When we work for someone else we are no longer the rulers of our lives. That really sucked because I was used to ruling my own life. Suddenly spending the day ironing clothes and sending my children off to school in clean and pressed clothes seemed good compared to being "just an employee".

I have not heard the term identity politics before, but I think I really like that term. Does it mean we shouldn't label each other conservative or liberal, or identify with this party or that one as though politics were a football game?

I totally appreciate you saying "People are not communicating and empathizing w/ one and other". I hope this changes. I think some of the European countries may be doing better?

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Perhaps you need to go look around on some feminist websites, and you will see that feminists today are still VERY concerned with all kinds of issues.
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Can you list the (primary) 'fires' which are uniquely (or overwhelmingly) female problems, which Feminism is intended to overcome? Also, how is Feminism attempting to address these issue(s)?
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Can you list the (primary) 'fires' which are uniquely (or overwhelmingly) female problems, which Feminism is intended to overcome? Also, how is Feminism attempting to address these issue(s)?
I have already covered many of these things earlier in this thread. Its pretty much any serious human issue, in which are affected so much. If no one is willing at all to even learn about feminism, then i dont see the point. I have already gotten pretty fed up with the nonsense in this thread.......
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Ummmmm, feminists are concerned with race, poverty, war, the environment, healthcare, privilege, LGBTQ, all kinds of things you have conveniently decided to ignore. Or maybe you just dont know anything about feminists..............
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Which one of these is uniquely about women?

And can you elaborate on your perception of the problems?
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Which one of these is uniquely about women?

And can you elaborate on your perception of the problems?
Sorry, but every time i try to have this discussion online, i get a bunch of freaks that dont know the first thing about feminism or women's issues trolling all over the place. Already in this thread 2 have come out and said some pretty ignorant things, and when i tried to tell them they were wrong they went crazy on me. It happens all the time.

If you dont know how severely women can be affected by these issues, i dont know what to say. Or even where to start. Try learning about it. Seriously, there are so many places where you can find feminist information that are NOT what feminism is portrayed here or just about anywhere online.
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Bringing in the untapped talents and skills of half the population who were held as basically domestic servants to men, with little hope or ability to ever live their own lives.
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This is true, though the situation is very different now--and you neglected the male counterpart standard women held/hold them to. Then, we can certainly talk about 'female liberation' from this role, as long you also acknowledge and apply the same terminology for males (from women) in the same sense. Otherwise, your standards are not being applied universally.
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This is true, though the situation is very different now--and you neglected the male counterpart standard women held/hold them to. Then, we can certainly talk about 'female liberation' from this role, as long you also acknowledge and apply the same terminology for males (from women) in the same sense. Otherwise, your standards are not being applied universally.
Sorry, i have no clue what your point is.
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If you dont know how severely women can be affected by these issues, i dont know what to say. Or even where to start. Try learning about it. Seriously, there are so many places where you can find feminist information that are NOT what feminism is portrayed here or just about anywhere online.
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Why would you make the (arrogant) assumption that I have not looked into the issues already? I am attempting to get your perception of it rather than the lumping you in with the generalized grouping of "Feminists"
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Sorry, i have no clue what your point is.
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My point is--yes, women have historically been used as 'domestic servants' by men, which is wrong and has been in need of addressing as women are meant to live for much more then exploitation and stifling role in this way. Likewise, men have historically been used as disposable 'work horses' by women, which is also exploitative, degrading, and stifling.

Then, why did you mention one side of the coin and not the other?
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