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Old March 21st, 2018, 01:03 PM   #51
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Sorry, dear. You'll have to do better than that but okay. Let's talk.

First of all, your piece is dated 2013, about a study done in 2008. Try to come up with something more recent.
Second, It compares “sexual assault” with “rape” by giving us numbers about the former for prison and jail inmates while quoting some undefined source on the latter for the general non-institutional population. Sexual assault in the prison study the Daily Mail article refers to includes not only rape and attempted rape but any kind of unwanted sexual touching. The concept of rape does not include that third category. Whether it includes attempted rape depends on where that 90,479 figure comes from.

Third, It’s difficult to determine from that paragraph the source of the rape counts for the non-institutional population. Sexual assault statistics tend to come from two sources: one consists of reports to the police or other authorities, the other consists of self-reporting by random individuals in the community. The study stated is a self-assessment by inmates.

Next, The study the Daily Mail article relies on covers BOTH male and female inmates in US prisons and jails. It’s wrong to assume that all the 216,000 inmates reporting sexual assault in 2008 were men. The quoted 90,479 figure for general rape rates may also include male victims. But in any case the comparisons become muddled when female victims in prisons and jails are put into the male victim category.

AND last, looking at the population inside prisons and jails does decrease the overall difference between female and male sexual assault victimization rates. That’s because the male population of prisons and jails is much higher than the female population and because sexual assault is much more common in those institutional settings than in the general population.

The "study" doesn’t flip the percentages. The Daily Mail article is wrong: Self-reported rates of sexual assault are still considerably higher for women than for men.


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To see what drives that paragraph above, note the following three criticisms:

It compares “sexual assault” with “rape” by giving us numbers about the former for prison and jail inmates while quoting some undefined source on the latter for the general non-institutional population. Sexual assault in the prison study the Daily Mail article refers to includes not only rape and attempted rape but any kind of unwanted sexual touching. The concept of rape does not include that third category. Whether it includes attempted rape depends on where that 90,479 figure comes from. Thus, the above paragraph compares apples to oranges in the sense of the acts included under the categories of rape and sexual assault. The latter is a much wider category.
It’s difficult to determine from that paragraph the source of the rape counts for the non-institutional population. Sexual assault statistics tend to come from two sources: one consists of reports to the police or other authorities, the other consists of self-reporting by random individuals in the community. The former gives much lower rates of rape and other forms of sexual violence, partly because many forms of sexual violence are never reported to anybody.The prison and jail data in this case comes from the latter kind of study: self-assessment by the inmates. We should compare that data to similarly created data from the general population, not to reported rates of rape.

https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress...us-than-women/


I remember when you first logged on here someone accused you of tbis frequently. This is not the first time i have called you out on it. Funny thing is just yesterday you called for someone to be banned for not citing a source or something likd that.


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NO. A student did not pull out a gun. That was not reported in any of the media so far.
"Our school resource officer was alerted to the event. he pursued the shooter, engaged the shooter, fired a round at the shooter," St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron said. "The shooter fired a round as well. In the hours and days to come, we'll be able to determine if our school resource officer's round struck the shooter."




IF YOU HAD posted a LINK we could discuss this, but NO. You refused to follow DTT procedures. You should be banned.





How many times will this be reported?



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Old March 21st, 2018, 01:10 PM   #52
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What is wrong? What points are wrong? How was I wrong? Be specific.
How were you wrong?
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I remember when you first logged on here someone accused you of tbis frequently. Funny thing is just yesterday you called for someone to be banned for not citing a source or something likd that.


Here it is.






How many times will this be reported?



For shame



You are right, Sabcat. I should have included my source and I didn't. My bad.
I have no excuse except that I honestly DO forget to copy paste before I hit Submit...sometimes.
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Old March 21st, 2018, 01:13 PM   #54
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You are right, Sabcat. I should have included my source and I didn't. My bad.
I have no excuse except that I honestly DO forget to copy paste before I hit Submit...sometimes.
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Use the quote boxes. That is why they exist.
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Old March 21st, 2018, 03:05 PM   #55
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Some of these guys simply can't handle this issue. They tell us there’s no such thing as rape culture ― not here, not in the United States. In fact, it's the MEN who are raped and assaulted, right?? Women have nothing to fear.
Women are over emotional. Women are paranoid. Women just need to be more "careful".

We are unfairly judging men, Lyzza. Be nice, but not too nice. Dress modestly, don't drink...don't party..we'll be fine.

We are oversensitive, judgmental misandrists. Men don't REALLY say creepy, vulgar things to us or about us. Refer to: Paranoid.
They're just joking--can't you take a joke?

Men somehow believe they are qualified to make that call - to wave away the persistent threat of sexual violence that we women live with every single day of our lives, that is ingrained in us from the time we are very small.

Minimize it, guys. Keep your 'good ol' boys' club. Join ranks and keep telling us "There's no rape culture." Apparently, that's all they need to know...even after this country just put Larry Nassar in the slammer for assaulting over 150 girls, which was AFTER the....
Cosby/Trump OpenMic/Hannity/Ailes/Conyers/Franken/Moore......assaults.

After Weinstein in 2017, *71* men were accused of sexual assault...and these are the ones we KNOW about.
So true. This is something we learn from a very young age, and idk if it will ever stop. the list of friends and coworkers, family members and others i have met in a variety of settings who are survivors of sexual assault or rape is depressing. not even getting into the random acts of harassment in just about any situation. the anxiety and stress these things cause can be unbearable at times. and when we get caught up in the worst moments ever, idk, i just cant with this kind of willful ignorance.
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Who is alienating men? You are saying that. You are trying to make this about men, and it isnt. i know many wonderful men who are allies.
Let me make this clear to you. Rape and sexual assault is one of the worst sorts of crime that can be committed upon a person. Its heinous! On this website agree.
You say women are a majority of the victims and i don't disagree with that. Shit. I said this earlier. Again we agree.
I say men, though not on the near same scale as women, are also victims of rape and damn do you misconstrue my meaning. No consideration on your part.

I am getting tired of giving inches and being taken for miles at a time.

No , this isn't about men. The title of your thread was how to help survivors of sexual assault. Women are included and rightfully so. But male survivors, as you say, fuck 'em.

So what you are saying is that only the correct victims are allowed and included in this discussion. This is what i am trying to understand and i think you are making it unflatteringly clear.

Plus, how in the living fuck does trying to have a fuckin discussion about this automatically translate into whiny males!? WTF?
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Old March 22nd, 2018, 01:26 AM   #57
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Let me make this clear to you. Rape and sexual assault is one of the worst sorts of crime that can be committed upon a person. Its heinous! On this website agree.
You say women are a majority of the victims and i don't disagree with that. Shit. I said this earlier. Again we agree.
I say men, though not on the near same scale as women, are also victims of rape and damn do you misconstrue my meaning. No consideration on your part.

I am getting tired of giving inches and being taken for miles at a time.

No , this isn't about men. The title of your thread was how to help survivors of sexual assault. Women are included and rightfully so. But male survivors, as you say, fuck 'em.

So what you are saying is that only the correct victims are allowed and included in this discussion. This is what i am trying to understand and i think you are making it unflatteringly clear.

Plus, how in the living fuck does trying to have a fuckin discussion about this automatically translate into whiny males!? WTF?
I never said "fuck em" and i dont appreciate you trying to paint me like that either. the issue i have here with these trolls, and i already explained it at least once in this thread as well as others, is that they try to sweep away the seriousness of these issues by posting only about men. Now they are even lying and trying to say bullshit about more men being affected, it has been going way too far.

and as far as whiny males, idk, i guess all i can say is ... stop whining
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I never said "fuck em" and i dont appreciate you trying to paint me like that either.
Your right and I'm wrong. You didn't say fuck them. I apologize. What you did say about male victims of rape in prisons is:

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who cares? seriously. you guys have a pretty severe issue with derailing any thread on this topic.
Who cares? Who cares sound an awful lot like people saying to female rape victims, "who cares about your sexual assault issue! Just lay back and enjoy it." I am not saying you said this, but i am pointing out that it does comes across heavily as what is being implied.

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the issue i have here with these trolls, and i already explained it at least once in this thread as well as others, is that they try to sweep away the seriousness of these issues by posting only about men. Now they are even lying and trying to say bullshit about more men being affected, it has been going way too far.
Cant' speak for them. I can only discuss what seems to be a lack in understanding one another?

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and as far as whiny males, idk, i guess all i can say is ... stop whining
Id like too see this discussion progress to an understanding. Getting side tracked like this doesnt do that. Instead, responses contrary to the interest of a thread either leads to its demise or turns it into just another infuriating shitfest by both opposing participants.

You want this to be taken seriously, as do i, my suggestion then is not too respond to a percieved negative with a percieved counter negative.
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Your right and I'm wrong. You didn't say fuck them. I apologize. What you did say about male victims of rape in prisons is:



Who cares? Who cares sound an awful lot like people saying to female rape victims, "who cares about your sexual assault issue! Just lay back and enjoy it." I am not saying you said this, but i am pointing out that it does comes across heavily as what is being implied.



Cant' speak for them. I can only discuss what seems to be a lack in understanding one another?



Id like too see this discussion progress to an understanding. Getting side tracked like this doesnt do that. Instead, responses contrary to the interest of a thread either leads to its demise or turns it into just another infuriating shitfest by both opposing participants.

You want this to be taken seriously, as do i, my suggestion then is not too respond to a percieved negative with a percieved counter negative.
I said that because they always derail any discussion on this with the same bullshit. they are probably just trolling anyway, but i am so tired of it.

some of us are capable of handling this issue seriously, and some are just asshats trying to ruin the discussion.
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Another great article from Everyday Feminism, and one that brings together the real issue me and Mathfan tried talking about.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/12...ort-survivors/
The four points sound similar to some of the support material and advice we received at work, when there was a flood of reports of sexual harassment, sexual coercion and blackmail attempts, and even a few sexual assault charges being filed against two management employees who were later fired.

The worse thing someone in management or on the union local executive can do when they first hear stories, is try to evaluate the reliability of the claimant and testimonies! For some men, there's a presumption that 'everything's fine if we don't hear anything bad.' So, more than a few started speculating about collusion or conspiracies if friends of theirs were subjects of accusations by women who previously had not come forward.

Everyone's different, including how individual women deal with sexual harassment or unwanted sexual advances. A lot depends on age, personality, past harmful experiences, and even physical size..which is rarely mentioned when the subject is written about. So, a 5' 100 lb woman may react more strongly and be quicker to perceive a threat in what some clod calls 'being friendly' or 'it was meant as a joke' than a woman who is larger and stronger!

For example, I was having a conversation once with one of the new female employees who happened to be in her late 40's, and appeared to be comfortable with male company in all kinds of situations, and somewhere and somehow the subject of pro wrestling came up, and she mentioned a name I recalled from the past, just happened to be one of her older brothers. He performed mostly on a wresting circuit that put on shows in Southern Ontario and Western New York back in the 70's and 80's. And that's when I really noticed that she stands at or near 6'...is not overweight, but large in the shoulders for a woman and has hands at least as big as the average man's! So, put that together with two of her brothers and her father being pro wrestlers in the past, and these are all big people, and even though she didn't get involved in the wrestling business herself, it's a safe bet that she learned a thing or two. And that, along with her size, means that she likely finds men less of a threat than most women do!

Like they say: everyone's different!
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